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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24294)	2/13/1999 1:49:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>... Bette,Good afternoon , and welcome...><> You wrote: God never abandons anyone, and He did not turn His back on you when your brother died. "The rain falls on the just and the unjust." In other words, good and bad things happen to all, no matter who we are and where we are. It is in our response to what happens around us that God is testing us and training us to bring us to heaven. And as His Word says, the only way there is through Jesus Christ. This is an enormous truth...Praise His Holy name! And your testimony we have heard before from Emile. It is good to have you tell it yourself. What honor and glory you bestow on the Saviour Jesus the Christ. Your gentle spirit shines through. Sincerely, And may God continue to bless and keep you. Shalom...><>

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24294)	2/13/1999 4:59:00 PM
From: Robert E. Hall	Respond to of 39621

Greetings Bette, Thank you for you gracious words testifying of our Saviour , the Lord Jesus Christ. It is so good to see a Husband and Wife complimenting one another as they are about our Fathers work in the proclaimation of the Gospel. May the Eternal Spirit always overshadow you and give you boldness as you proclaim the eternal Gospel, Love in Christ, Robert

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24294)	2/13/1999 5:49:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

I found that my family, as well as the vast majority of Eastern European and Russian Jews, cannot trace their ancestry back to Israel, but to the Khazar tribe of the steppes. What is so important of tracing ones ancestry back. If a hundred Jews can be traced back to the promises made by God that is all it would take to honor the Covenant..... I myself do not think I am better than the next person but it seems you wish to force feed our feelings through your words... Hebrews sounds like a desire to feel special (since Jews are highly revered in America today) rather than a blood connection. This is a simple matter of pride.... Let me give you my thoughts on Pride..... Pride is when you treat others as low life by commenting on their culture as some sort of satanic cult... Pride is when your husband for example deems to call others Demons.... Pride is when one deems to Judge others while hiding behind Christ or claiming to be devout Christian that can do no wrong. If you think your husband is not puffed up with pride than you are gravely mistaken. I am surprised you do not post more often.... or is it that your husband controls you as well... Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24294)	2/13/1999 8:54:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Bette, My mother-in-laws name is Betty. One time when I was at there house I found her Tenach from when she was a young girl. There were notes and prayers written on almost every page. When she became an adult and was married she continued to have this deep relationship with God and when someone told her that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah she prayed about it and accepted it as the truth. Not everyone in any religion is rebellious to God because you were. She found God through Judaism because she was seeking to know him. I praise God that you were healed and most of all for your relationship to Jesus. This did not and does not give you the right to claim an entire group of people are proud and that is not our commission. We are to give the Good News of Jesus salvation and that is it. After reading this thread for a short time no one could agree with you that Jews are revered here. Actually it is the opposite, there is a focus on their religion, business practices etc..besides an outright lack of faith in God to let them somehow destroy innocent people. That does not glorify the Lord but does the opposite as you can see from the testimonies of the non believers here. Every culture of men does not measure up to the standards of a Holy God so why pick one to spend many hours researching their sins as though it was special. Is it to convince yourself that you are right to separate yourself from these people that loved you instead of patiently and lovingly sharing the beauty and love of Jesus with them? From this one post you have destroyed your witness to any non believing Jews here and it is not Biblical or necessary IMO. Salvation is Not by might nor by power but by the Spirit of God. I have only seen people saved by the revelation of the Holy Spirit as in your case so why are you and others trying to force conversation instead of praying with long suffering and tears before the Lord? I am glad you are hear and I have prayed for you and your family and will continue. May the Love and peace of the Lord Jesus fill us all, Nancy

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24294)	2/13/1999 9:08:00 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"As I researched genealogy, I found that my family, as well as the vast majority of Eastern European and Russian Jews, cannot trace their ancestry back to Israel, but to the Khazar tribe of the steppes. " Can you tell me just exactly what genealogical research you performed? The claim that modern Jews are primarily the descendents of the Khazars is really ridiculous. Prove if you can that anyone is a descendent of the Khazars. Actually, most East European Jews are descended primarily from Jews who fled persecution in Western Europe (Germany, France, Italy) during the Crusader and Black Death eras and found refuge in Poland and the Austro-Hungarian empires during a time when those Kingdoms were quite tolerant. A great many came from what is now Germany and this is the reason that Jews in Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Poland, Bielorussia, Ukraine, Romania and elsewhere in East Europe spoke a language primarily derived form German. (In fact some East European Jewish families can track their ancestry back to Western Europe. As an example, the East European name Rapoport originated with an ancestsor who was a rabbi in Porto Italy). The Kingdom of Poland's boundaries expanded and contracted over the centuries but at various times included much of the Ukraine, Byelorussia, and the Baltic states. When Russia eventually expanded to the west, it acquired a Jewish population with it's new territory and confined the Jew's to the Pale of Settlement in the westerly part of Russia, where they were already living. The Khazar theory, so popular with anti-Semites like your husband* is patently ridiculous. The Yiddish language is all the evidence you need. Why would a bunch of Khazars, who likely spoke a Turkish language, develop a language based on the language of Germany where no Khazars ever lived? And please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Yiddish words are about 80% of German origin mixed in with 10% or so each words of Hebrew and Latin origin. Exactly what you'd expect given the origin of East European Jews in Western Europe. Please post any Yiddish words which are derived from a Turkish language or from Khazar, whatever that is. I don't think there are any such words, but please feel free to enlighten me on this score. IMO, it's obvious the modern Jews are, at least partially, descendents of the ancient Israelites (of course, so is almost everyone to a very small extent). And they are also descendents of the many converts to Judaism that occurred in the ancient world prior to the rise of Christianity. There are no pure bloodlines anywhere. So you are in fact at least partially descended from ancient Israel. To a much smaller extent, so is your husband, so am I, and so is most of the population of the world, except for maybe "fullblood" Native Americans and Australians and Polynesians (of course, given the history of the last 500 years it's unlikely there are any such "fullbloods" any more. Note: I've pretended for the sake of discussion that Bette exists. Frankly, I think it's likely Emile invented her. In fact, I'd be mildly surprised if Emile is even married. Bruce