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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24301)	2/13/1999 2:12:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"It was only in the twentieth century that some dispensationalist "christian" fundamentalist began to oppose certain aspect of scientific inquiry. This hardly qualifies the entire world Christian community as opponents of scientific inquiry. " Emile Why don't you tell the whole truth? That the Apostles were dispensationalists. Your whole doctrine is based on half truths. If you truly recognized all of the Jewish prophesies in the Old Testament your doctrines would not hold water. I noticed that you didn't capitalize Christian when used in conjunction with fundamentalist. You fool no one with your sanctimonious tripe.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24301)	2/13/1999 3:33:00 PM
From: Dr. Stoxx	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, To continue our discussion: You wrote, <<"The Christian community, historically speaking, has had an embarrassingly poor relationship to science." Thanks for your response, TC. I feel that this statement is false! Modern scientific inquiry was started almost exclusively by Christian individuals and Christian governments. The foundations of modern scientific inquiry was primarily a product of European Christian Civilization. It was only in the twentieth century that some dispensationalist "christian" fundamentalist began to oppose certain aspect of scientific inquiry. This hardly qualifies the entire world Christian community as opponents of scientific inquiry.>> As I have studied the period, it seems to me that the origins of scientific investigation are better attributed to the Greeks, and to Stoic cosmology, than to Christians. But if you are looking for the continuation of Western interest in science during the middle ages, then yes, it was left in the hands, mostly, of monks. But my point stems from the reluctance on the part of the Church to embrace a heliocentric theory, for one example, and evolution, for another. With both of those more or less firmly assimilated by contemporary theology (witness the affirmation of evolution theory by Vatican II, e.g.), there are still debates raging about the Afrocentric origins of the human species (admittedly this is still controversial), as well as Big Bang cosmology. Or more broadly, there has been reluctance on the part of the Christian Church to embrace, and in some cases an outright condemnation of, recent trends in psychology, sociology and philosophy. The Church may no longer sponsor a "black list", but it still excommunicates members who publish material contrary to its teachings. Having said that, I do not want to imply that Christianity is retrograde in its thinking. In spiritual matters, it supplies an impressive edifice of guidance and insight. But in its unwillingness to consider new ways of thinking about our place in the cosmos, it is leaving many thinking people behind... Respectfully, TC.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24301)	2/16/1999 3:48:00 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 39621

<< It was only in the twentieth century that some dispensationalist "christian" fundamentalist began to oppose certain aspect of scientific inquiry. >> Gimme a break. Remember Galileo? And this is hardly the only instance of disagreement between religion and science prior to this century. Another man (Bruno, I believe) was burned at the stake for espousing heliocentric views. In the last century, geology ran head first into the "young earth" view of Genesis. Come on, Emile, I find it hard to believe you are this ignorant. And then, maybe I'm wrong.