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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (33966)	2/13/1999 3:16:00 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 67261

Well you see it may be simple for you to temporarily dismiss taxpayer funded abortion, but to religious conservatives it is a major issue. I know you and I have no common ground on these matters but fwiw, lets say hypothetically I am opposed to artificial life support for religious reasons, or I am opposed to the death penalty or I am opposed to heart transplants or sheesh, any number of things. My taxes pay for these things because our medical system provides them. Abortion is no different, no matter how much the right screams about it.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (33966)	2/13/1999 5:14:00 PM
From: miraje	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 67261

Well you see it may be simple for you to temporarily dismiss taxpayer funded abortion, but to religious conservatives it is a major issue. I don't dismiss it. I am pro-choice but would argue vehemently in favor of your position on the funding issue. Matter of fact, I think that the government should be out of the health care business completely, but that's a whole 'nother subject. One of these involves sex education in schools. There is a distinct lack of traditional morality concerning the teaching of sex in our public schools, in some cases students are even being taught how to use condoms by use of cucumbers. Sex education in public schools has to be a compromise, unfortunately. I'd favor more, you'd favor less, or none. There's no easy solution. If parents would educate their own kids on this subject, it wouldn't need to be on the school curriculum at all. Religious conservatives are being forced to pay for this. Additionally, since many of them cannot afford to homeschool, and since education is mandatory in this country, their own children are being subjected to such influences and encroachments upon their values. Again, I concede and agree with your point. Affordable educational alternatives to public schools are the answer. You would send your kids to a school that teaches them from a religious conservative oriented perspective and I would send mine to one with a free thinking, secular, libertarian philosophy. Choices are needed. Additionally, publicly funded “art” (so called) has forced religious conservatives to pay not only for insults to their values, but insults to their very persons. This sort of thing is pervasive, and yet when religious conservatives attempt to participate in our system to change it, or it least to have a say in these matters, people like you claim they are attempting to force their belief du jour on the entire populace. El wrongo, amigo. I'm quite confident that your taste in art differs greatly from mine, but people like me, (libertarian), are as much against publicly funded art as you are. I'll fight for your right not to involuntarily fund pornography and sacrilege and fight just as hard for my right to purchase and view said same, if I so choose. You and your camp believe it acceptable to kill children (I use the language here not to inflame, but to underscore the gulf between you and I). Yet I am forced by government to pay for these murders. A very emotional issue, for many. I've stated my views above and on previous posts. expressing the barbarism I feel (no thinking here) due to my having had little sense that my values were even considered by the society. Consider yourself lucky that your values are only under attack from the left. Mine are under "assault" from across the whole spectrum. LOL!! You have a moral code also, and you would love to impose it upon everyone else. Not quite. My moral code is based on a rejection of impositions. I would be happy if more people shared my philisophical premises and value system but would not countenance forcing it on anyone. If in our society it is generally accepted that libertarians are scum, it is only reasonable to expect libertarians to in some sense feel threatened One is the loneliest number. Individuals are the smallest and most vulnerable minority of all. Individual rights are the fountainhead of liberty. Libertarians labor in relative obscurity to protect and restore these rights for all of us. Some parents consider it an excellent thing to have their children, just before they begin their schooling, to dedicate that schooling to God, asking Him for help and direction. Well and good. Pray before school, pray during and after school, as you desire. Just don't mandate or sponsor public school prayer. The point is, you should attack fundamentalists as well as pro-choicers and anyone else who uses government. I do, consistently and across the board. I am not an anarchist, but firmly believe in greatly reducing the power and scope of government from current levels. The point is the system does not allow anyone freedom to break a law simply because they deem the law inappropriate. Change the law. That's funny, Daniel Schuh said essentially the same thing to me when we were engaged in argument over anti-trust, Microsoft, and the government. There are many laws that need to be changed or eliminated... :-) JB