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To: Jon Tara who wrote (11054)	2/17/1999 12:07:00 AM
From: mchip	Respond to of 16892

Jon, <<No luck - it goes through a whole LOT of rigamarole and looks like it's downloading, but then comes back and says my PIN number was bad. (Actually, the exact message is "Signon invalid".)>> I have had this actually work a few times. The last was on 1/15/99. It has only worked during market hours. <<Am I correct in understanding that I should enter my account number for both the account number and customer ID? Should I enter the dash (-) that is part of the account number or not? (I tried it both ways.)>> I have no dash and account number as account number and customer id. And yes password for PIN. Almost like check writing and options, but it worked a few times!

To: Jon Tara who wrote (11054)	2/17/1999 8:28:00 AM
From: pae	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 16892

Quicken - waste of time. IMO Quicken is less than useful for a significant volume of transactions. Having already learned that the hard way, I never attempted to use the utility. I hand enter the transactions into Excel as I make them (helps me manage when to bail <g>). When I reconcile with what Datek sends to the IRS, I can work with Excel. Quicken assumes too many things and just gets goofy. I print Sched D and D-1 lookalikes from Excel and transfer the appropriate amounts to form 1040 as needed. So, IMO, the utility is a check-like fantasy on top of the fantasy that Quicken is something more than a dumbed-down spreadsheet with instability added in along with the sales pop-ups. While I continue to labor under my own fantasy that there is execution-delivering substance under the Datek checking/option/Level2/mutual-fund/exchange/IPO marketing hype, I find the decision to ally with Intuit (a company with many ways to charge you over and over for the same technology) to be another worrysome sign. Regards, pae PS I continue to find Super Express quite useful, thank you Jon.