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To: Sector Investor who wrote (12211)2/18/1999 5:46:00 AM
From: Richard Pich  Respond to of 42804
 
Perhaps I missed something in the CC. Didn't they state previously that they would repurchase MRV stock? Or was this another misunderstanding on my part?

Regards
RP



To: Sector Investor who wrote (12211)2/18/1999 9:55:00 AM
From: Greg h2o  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42804
 
From this weekend's Barrons Online...just food for thought....
Why Value Investors Are Different

Today's mutual-fund manager is no Warren Buffett

By Seth A. Klarman

The most dramatic and valuable lesson from the fabulous (and still counting)
50-plus-year investment career of Warren Buffett is the legendary account of
his steadfast conviction amidst the 1973-75 bear market. He had correctly
identified by 1973 that the shares of companies such as the Washington Post
were selling for but a fraction of the underlying business value represented by
those shares. He observed that numerous buyers would readily pay several
times the prevailing market price of Washington Post stock to acquire the
entire company, but it was controlled by the founding family and not for sale.
Buffett could acquire a minority interest in the business at a bargain price, but
he could not force the valuation gap to close. For that, he was dependent on
the passage of time to result in improved market conditions and/or on the
behavior of management to successfully run the business and to act in the best
interest of shareholders.

Fortunately for Buffett, the shares of Washington Post and other attractively
priced companies failed to rise from 1973 bargain levels and in fact
proceeded to relentlessly decline over the next two years, enhancing the
opportunity by orders of magnitude. Roger Lowenstein, in his biography
Buffett, describes the "impression of Buffett sweeping down the aisles of a
giant store [buying stock]... . As the market fell, he raced down the aisles all
the faster."

Bear Market Memory

Recalling this episode is important because it powerfully evokes the memory
of what happens in bear markets: Good bargains become even better
bargains. It is also inspirational testimony to the wisdom and necessity of
staying power: Had Buffett worried about the interim losses in 1974 or 1975
from his earlier and more expensive purchases of Washington Post shares, he
might have not only failed to add to his holdings but, conceivably, might also
have panicked or been forced out of his steadily dropping position. That he
didn't reflects the well-founded conviction a value investor is able to have,
confident in the margin of safety that a bargain purchase is able to confer.

Back in 1974 and 1975, when the shares of
Washington Post were declining so sweetly for
Buffett, what might his daily experience have
been like? As confident as Buffett was back
then, projecting out his future wealth from
currently depressed point A to future point B,
there were almost certainly times that a bit of
fear rose in his throat, too. He wouldn't be
human or risk-averse if the near-daily
markdowns of his bargain purchase didn't
create room for reflection.

And profiting from his bargain purchases was
not an immediate occurrence. Buffett was
making no off-market purchase, odd lot or
private sale he could immediately flip for sizable gain. He in fact bought very
much on the market; he had simply decided that the market was wrong. His
view was that the sellers were not thinking clearly, perhaps were not in a
position to think clearly. In all probability, they were selling not because they
believed the shares were fully priced or overpriced compared with the value
of Washington Post as a business. On this they and Buffett may, perhaps
surprisingly, have agreed. Their disagreement, if there was one, concerned the
level of appropriate discount between share price and business value, a gap
that Buffett saw as widening.

It is helpful to note that Buffett did not consider whether Washington Post was
a component of a stock-market index, or about to be added to one
(ironically, in a sense, since the possible inclusion of Buffett's Berkshire
Hathaway in the S&P 500 Index is one of the speculative forces lifting that
stock today). He did not weigh the market capitalization of the company or its
daily trading volume in his purchase decision. He didn't worry about whether
the stock was about to split or pay or omit a dividend. He most certainly did
not evaluate the stock's beta or use the capital-asset pricing model or
consider whether its purchase would move his portfolio to the efficient
frontier. He simply valued the business and bought a piece of it at a sizable
discount.

Was Buffett not concerned about risk? Of course he was, but not those risks
that were most pertinent to the shorter-term-oriented, more rigidly
constrained investors who were unwittingly making him wealthier every time
they sold him another share. Those investors, quite like today's big
mutual-fund complexes, were disproportionately worried about their
short-term investment results and their clients' perception of same. In such a
world, relative underperformance is a disaster and the longer term is
measured by the frequency with which investment results are evaluated. Risk
for them is not being stupid but looking stupid. Risk is not overpaying, but
failing to overpay for something everyone else holds. Risk is more about
standing apart from the crowd than about getting clobbered, as long as you
have a lot of company.

History Doesn't Quite Repeat

History never repeats itself exactly. So in 1998 investors urgently seeking
liquidity are selling not Washington Post but small-cap and emerging-market
equities. Investors tired of underperforming don't sell Dell Computer (no one,
it seems, sells Dell), which they love for what it has done for them no matter
how expensive it has become. It is so much easier for them to sell whatever
has recently disappointed investor expectations, no matter how inexpensive it
has become. Mutual-fund managers, desperate to put cash to work, don't buy
what is cheap but what is working, since what is cheap by definition hasn't
been working.

It seems obvious that so long as there are inflows into the hands of institutional
investors, there will be a telescoping of investment into the several dozen
names that have reliably reported quarter-by-quarter earnings growth and
almost constant share-price appreciation. It seems obvious, but is actually a
slippery and very dangerous slope. When stocks are rising for no better
reason than that they have risen, the greater fool is at work. Consider the
Internet-stock mania, where the mere rumor of a stock split, as irrelevant to
value as a rumor could be, sends not only that stock flying but a whole group
of stocks rising in sympathy. This is no different from the purchase of any
investment based on how the market might possibly regard it in the future
rather than on investment fundamentals. An investor who initially purchases
based on value knows to buy more when an already undervalued stock falls
and to sell when it becomes fully valued. An investor in an Internet stock or in
the extraordinarily expensive shares of a very good company has no idea
what to do when the price moves up or down. This creates a serious dilemma
for the great majority of investors and a real opportunity for a few.

Necessary Arrogance

At the root of value investing is the belief, first espoused by Benjamin
Graham, that the market is a voting machine and not a weighing machine.
Thus an investor must have more confidence in his or her own opinion than in
the combined weight of all other opinions. This borders on arrogance, the
necessary arrogance that is required to make investment decisions. This
arrogance must be tempered with extreme caution, giving due respect to the
opinions of others, many of whom are very intelligent and hard working. Their
sale of shares to you at a seeming bargain price may be the result of
ignorance, emotion or various institutional constraints, or it may be that the
apparent bargain is in fact flawed, that it is actually fairly priced or even
overvalued and that the sellers know more than you do. This is a serious risk,
but one that can be mitigated first by extensive fundamental analysis and
second by knowing not only that something is bargain-priced but, as best you
can, also why it is so. (You never know for certain why sellers are getting out
but you may be able to reasonably surmise a rationale.) This is the position in
which investors should, over and over, want to put themselves (and an
astonishingly different type of consideration than the great majority of today's
investors are bothering to make).

Now consider mega-growth-fund manager Buff T. Warren, who has been
racking up year after year of great performance buying and holding the shares
of expensive but steadily rising growth companies. Buff has consistently been
and remains bullish, since that is what got him where he is today. High stock
prices have long since ceased to worry Buff, who is nothing if not flexible.
And what choice does he really have, anyway? The fundamentals are
excellent as far as the eye can see, so share prices should be high. His
portfolio companies are among America's greatest, they are in sync with the
times and they beat analysts' earnings expectations every quarter. There is
apparently nothing in the great demographic roller coaster to interrupt the
steady cash inflows into the stock market. Almost no one, in fact, can even
imagine a reason why these large, well-liked companies won't continue to
command the greatest share of investor demand.

At the end of the Hall of Greater Fools is a mirror. Buff, unaware of entering
the building, actually thinks of himself as a prudent investor. After all, he owns
no junk, only the shares of great businesses. And the market's constant
vindication of his judgment only reinforces his conviction and self-image.
Obviously, selling his best performers to dabble in anything else would be
wildly speculative and he has convinced himself that he is a risk-averse
investor, even a "value" investor. Buying and holding, using inflows to add to
positions, is his watchword.

Occasionally, one of Buff's shooting stars falls to earth; fortunately, his
compatriots at other mutual funds probably owned it in about the same
proportion. Then he does what you should always do when a stock
disappoints and plunges in price: He blows it out. You can't, after all, trust a
company that is incapable of massaging earnings into a steady growth pattern;
why, the same thing might happen again. And he knows all his compadres are
thinking the same thing and blowing it out, too.

Buff has a lot of company. His stocks are going up, not necessarily because
they should but because they do. That no one can think of why they wouldn't
is taken as evidence that they will rise further.

Lost Art of Contrary Thinking

Lost in Buff's world is the art of contrary thinking. Ignored, out-of-print titles
about the madness of crowds (not to mention the importance of a margin of
safety) suggest that the majority cannot be right in the long run. Being very
early and being wrong look exactly the same 99% of the time, and early in
Buff's line of work means unemployed. Anyway, it is Buff's job to be fully
invested. It's hard to deviate from what has been working; and buying smaller,
less liquid names really wouldn't make a dent in the mountain of cash that
comes in every week. Maybe Buff even halfheartedly believes it is he who is
the real contrarian, and that the rally has a lot farther to go.

The investment world today is turned upside down; what is seen as risky is
almost certainly much safer than what is viewed as rock solid. Not only that,
but in the ultimate irony, Warren Buffett's and Buff T. Warren's portfolios
look a fair bit alike. Some of Berkshire Hathaway's largest holdings, including
international consumer stocks like Gillette and Coca-Cola, now trade at over
40 times earnings and are among the favorite stocks of growth managers like
Buff.

The preface to Benjamin Graham's Security Analysis contains the quote from
Horace's Ars Poetica: "Many shall be restored that now are fallen and many
shall fall that are now in honor." It does not say when.



To: Sector Investor who wrote (12211)2/18/1999 1:18:00 PM
From: signist  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 42804
 
Sector,
Great reporting of CC:

Gruntal up next at 6.25 bid

With the management spending our money on private companies
involved in the new product technology that is being developed what are we to think?
Are they using our money to keep the technology for their own personal gain? I just don't like
management spending our money and they don't have to account to anyone. One could not be
accused of unjust skepticism as management seems unwilling to support the stock's price at any price,
WITH THEIR MONEY!.
Yeah, an optimist could paint their strategy as purely innocent and or brilliant. What are they
protecting by not letting everyone know
the real details Re: new companies?
What are the advantages of developing the new technology(WITH OUR MONEY) with private
companies? Spinoffs...they win. MRV sellout...they win and are free to leave to take advantage of the
privately developed
products. (That are using MRV resources, engineers, etc.)

Now, the IF's could be very beneficial to all but how can a shareholder
be comfortable with what is going on if we are kept in the dark?


Please, someone try to explain to me that I am just a worry wart and management are men that should
be trusted.

John
Very uncomfortable...as usual



To: Sector Investor who wrote (12211)2/18/1999 4:13:00 PM
From: michael modeme  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42804
 
Sector -- your comments are great -- thanks for the hard work!