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To: tero kuittinen who wrote (23079)	2/19/1999 10:34:00 AM
From: DaveMG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

And in 3-4 weeks 6185 is there. Is that a fact?

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (23079)	2/19/1999 10:36:00 AM
From: J.B.C.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

Kinda lays to rest your theory that it was in Nokia's interest to produce an inferior CDMA phone. Jim

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (23079)	2/19/1999 10:41:00 AM
From: engineer	Respond to of 152472

Ok, Tero, so they got the SIMPLE digital processor part working. ANYONE can load up a big processor into the phone and call this advanced features. What they don;t have working is the baseband, analog, RF, and baseband call processing software. It is the RF performance that is not working, not some digital engineers processor with 1000's of memories....(all of which consumes more power). I would assume that they got the GSM part working since they have been doing this for 11 years or more, but I do not think they got the CDMa part working to spec. If they did, then why would some carriers be sending them back for non-performance? How about going down the list on RF performance as far as sensitivity, ACPR, Spurious response, Pilot search and acquisition times, soft handoff performance, etc..... Compare that for awhile.....

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (23079)	2/19/1999 4:25:00 PM
From: Quincy	Respond to of 152472

Tero said: "Let's look at the specs of Qualcomm 2700 vs. Nokia 6185." <deleted> "That's Nokia's second-generation CDMA chipset against Qualcomm's current offering." The QCP2700 (announced shipping SEPT 10, 1997) uses MSM2300, not MSM3000 or MSM3100. You are comparing the best Nokia has come up with; to a Qualcomm chip two generations (two years) back. Handsets using MSM3000 have not yet reached commercial production from Qualcomm (thinphone), Motorola, AudioVox, Sanyo, 16 others, possibly even Nokia itself.

To: tero kuittinen who wrote (23079)	2/20/1999 3:48:00 AM
From: freak.monster1	Respond to of 152472

> Let's look at the specs of Qualcomm 2700 vs. Nokia 6185. > weight: 6.5 ounces vs. just over 5 ounces QCP-2700 is designed with msm2300 (over 2 and a half year old technology), not "Qualcomm's latest offering". A better comparison is perhaps the thin phone, which is just a little over 4 oz. > stand-by time: up to 100 hours vs. up to 180 hours upto 180 hours is misleading. 5oz and 180 hours don't go together! It is more a function of what is the largest battery a phone manufacturer offers. So, Nokia offers a large battery while 2700 doesn't. It certainly doesn't prove that Nokia has a more efficient chipset. Thin phone is a significantly more efficient in term of longer standby time for a given phone size (more precisely, battery size) than 6185. AT CTIA the best reply one could get about 6185 was May-99 production shipment, but I am happy to defer to you if you have better insight as to when Nokia will ship that phone. If Nokia is indeed planning for around May, then on the basis of Qcom press announcement, they will hit the streets about the same time. > 10 ring tunes vs. 32 ring tunes You are right, though I do not know how big a deal this is. > display: 4 lines of text vs. 5 lines of text >99 memory locations vs. 200 stored names and numbers This is usually not a big deal. I have never even got closed to filling 99. And if you don't have some Voice recognition, I can't see how one can use 200 effectively. Wait till the end of April for Japanese CDMAOne phones. They have long standby, small size and a lot of features. Regards.