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To: marcos who wrote (15076)2/22/1999 1:53:00 PM
From: Mr Metals  Respond to of 26850
 
Winspear Resources Ltd -
Winspear hat parade
Winspear Resources Ltd WSP
Shares issued 33,721,333 1999-02-19 close $3.35
Monday Feb 22 1999
by Stockwatch Business Reporter
George Albino, author of the Feb. 10 Deutsche Bank Securities report rating Winspear Resources "speculative outperform", acknowledges that he is wearing a different hat these days. In a recent interview, Mr. Albino was reluctant to be the subject of any media attention, noting that "Winspear is the real story." However, he did provide some personal background and offered some comments to put the research report "in context."
Mr. Albino says he holds a PhD in geology and was formerly the chief geologist with SouthernEra Resources, another diamond company active in the Northwest Territories. At the outset, Mr. Albino wanted to make clear that the research report was written for the benefit of his clients and "not for it to take on a life of its own." He pointed out that Deutsche Bank Securities is an "institutional brokerage entirely" and that there is a different dynamic for the institutional investor than for the individual retail investor. An aspect of that 'different dynamic', of course, relates to volume. Transactions by institutional investors typically involve far more shares than those by individual investors, both when buying and selling. That has implications for price movement that has to be factored into risk/reward assessments.
Mr. Albino is familiar with Winspear's property from his tenure with Southernera and has been following the company for some time prior to issuing his recommendation. According to his report, Winspear's Jan. 26 release of the caustic fusion analyses of drill core intersections and approximately 250 kilograms of kimberlite representative of each of the 100 tonne samples taken from the NW dyke, was the "missing link" that he was waiting for before initiating coverage. "Until the caustic fusion results came out, you couldn't be sure that it wasn't fortuitous sampling," Mr. Albino says. "Everything is consistent with the rest of the body being a similar grade. There are no red flags." Asked about Winspear's repeated caution against using the results obtained thus far to predict grade, Mr. Albino noted, "Companies have to be cautious to make sure they do not run afoul of the regulators."
As indicated in his report, Mr. Albino still sees a number of hurdles ahead of Winspear. Even if the grade is reasonably established, the question of value remains to be answered. Mr. Albino feels that "in the final analysis the value may be closer to $200 than $300/carat." Although he seems to waffle somewhat on value, suggesting that a $170/carat value would allow an acceptable rate of return on investment and possibly as little as $150/carat with grade upside, he concludes that a combination of grade and value equating to $185/tonne augurs well for the probability of a mine. As his report makes clear, however, the realization of that is still some time away.
Mr. Albino expressed some surprise and dismay that his report had been quickly circulated on the Internet, commenting that he was "not happy about it." He noted that he does visit the Winspear thread on Silicon Investor but had been "afraid to go there" for a couple of days after issuing the report. He was not surprised that Winspear had quickly distributed the report to shareholders who requested it, however. He noted that companies frequently distribute favourable research reports.
Mr. Albino is not the only analyst giving favourable coverage to Winspear. On Jan. 26, the day Winspear released the caustic fusion analyses, an internal memorandum was circulated by Yorkton analyst Art Ettlinger, also rating Winspear as a "buy for speculative investors." Mr. Ettlinger has been wearing an analyst's hat for many years and has been covering Winspear for quite some time. According to Mr. Ettlinger, his coverage of Winspear is the most thorough he has ever written on any company in his life.
Mr. Ettlinger attended a presentation by Winspear which coincided with the release of the caustic fusion results where they described their macrodiamond modelling of drill assays using the microdiamond caustic fusion data. His memorandum notes: "The ability to use microdiamonds as a predictive tool in estimating macrodiamond grade is important because sampling of the dyke by conventional drilling will not retrieve enough macrodiamonds for a direct grade estimate." Mr. Ettlinger found it significant that several commercial-sized stones were recovered by caustic fusion. Using bold type for emphasis, he notes: "We did not anticipate stones of this size to be recovered from such small samples." In his summary, Mr. Ettlinger notes that the 6,000 tonne sample "will be critical in determining the value of stones contained in the Snap Lake dyke." Underlining the subsequent statement for emphasis, he writes: "Statistical data, however, points to a population of large stones in the NW dyke."
Newsletter writer John Kaiser wears yet another hat, one which, according to some Winspear shareholders, he changed along with his coat when he issued his Bottom-Fish Tracker on Jan. 8. In that report, Mr. Kaiser raised a number of concerns and advised his subscribers to sell 25 per cent of their Winspear holdings. Mr. Kaiser is adamant that his change in recommendation had nothing to do with a suspicion that the large stones may have been salted, a possibility he was at some pains to discredit. "I'm not fence-sitting with respect to whether the three large stones were salted or were just a fluke," he says. "They were a fluke." Mr. Kaiser feels that he was misled for quite some time regarding the percentage of the parcel's value represented by the three large stones. His change of recommendation was in response to finding out that those stones comprised 75 per cent of the value of the parcel, a fact that was later acknowledged by Winspear.
Mr. Kaiser's general assessment of the Deutsche Bank Securities report is that it is "pretty good." He does have some strong reservations about some claims, however. In particular, he points to a statement appearing on page four of the report: "It is our experience, however, that 'getting lucky' with one diamond is possible, but that with three stones each carrying a substantial part of the parcel's value the likelihood that the very high valuation obtained for the Snap Lake diamonds is grossly inflated is, we believe, small." Mr. Kaiser says, "That is complete nonsense." He notes that diamond populations have a random distribution and asks, "Why are the three top stones all high quality?" He says he is "still open to the possibility of some strange stone distribution" but it is clearly something he is not going to assume.
Mr. Kaiser cites an analogy he offered in a speech to the Vancouver Personal Investment Conference on Feb. 1 to explain his concern. "A simple way to understand this is to imagine a parcel of Smarties, M&M's and Skittles. From a distance they all look the same. But when you look at them closely, you can see that they came from different factories. As the Snap Lake kimberlite magma worked its way through the mantle, it sampled several diamond factories. As it ascended it mixed the Smarties, M&M's and Skittles throughout the kimberlite." According to Mr. Kaiser, "George (Mr. Albino) is assuming this is all 'one diamond factory'." That is something else that Mr. Kaiser is not prepared to assume.
Another concern that Mr. Kaiser has turns on his suggestion that the sample from pit one had an average carat value of about 25 per cent of that obtained from pit two. "When you mix them together, the value looks good," he says. "But what happens if pit one is more representative of the deposit?" He notes that Winspear has not done any genesis studies and that an "extraordinary amount of detail work is still required." According to Mr. Kaiser, geostatisticians will be more important to much of that work than geologists. He is also convinced that disclosure standards will have to be improved and that Winspear is in a position to take a pioneering role with respect to those standards. Noting that Winspear has to climb a wall of scepticism, he told his audience at the Vancouver Personal Investment Conference: "If Winspear wants to go beyond a cult stock with a following of blind true believers, it needs to show us everything it has. That need not hurt the play. After all, the worst true believer is somebody who thinks his beliefs are based on facts and not blind faith."
Like Mr. Albino, Mr. Kaiser does not foresee any difficulty in establishing sufficient tonnage. His estimate of the necessary rock value at $200/tonne, however, is somewhat higher than Mr. Albino's suggestion of $185/tonne. "The upside will be if they find some sort of feeder that will bring economies of scale to bear," Mr. Kaiser says, going on to note that Winspear is now well-funded for exploration. Commenting on the risky nature of diamond mining and the hurdles that lie ahead for Winspear, he remarks, "Diamond mining is either all or nothing--it's either huge or worthless." With his hat on straight, he is clearly still hoping that Winspear's Snap Lake project will fall into the 'huge' category.
Committed to a $12-million exploration program, 'huge' is obviously also the hope of Winspear's management. Even more obviously, it is the hope of shareholders, many of whom have been clamouring for more information, especially positive information, from the company. Perhaps that is what motivated Winspear to make the Deutsche Bank Securities report available to its shareholders almost immediately after it was issued. In doing so, however, the company seems to have adopted the incongruous appearance of wearing two hats at once. The company has pointedly admonished against using the recently released caustic fusion analyses to make predictions about grade. In spite of the cautions, however, they were instrumental in making the report by an analyst who does just that easily accessible. Calls to Winspear throughout last week were not returned.

(c) Copyright 1999 Canjex Publishing Ltd. canada-stockwatch.com




To: marcos who wrote (15076)2/22/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: Mr Metals  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 26850
 
Winspear Resources Ltd -
Winspear most active conference
Winspear Resources Ltd WSP
Shares issued 33,721,333 1999-02-19 close $3.35
Monday Feb 22 1999
Week ended Feb. 19th
by Stockwatch business reporter
Winspear Resources was reviewed in Forum Watch last week as the most active conference, a position it has now held for three consecutive weeks. Apart from the text of the Deutsche Bank Securities research report which has been widely distributed, there have been no developments within the last week.
Conference discussion has once again been wide-ranging and interesting, with a number of perspectives represented. Responding to a question regarding the 'cone sheet' theory WillP wrote: "The geological theories are interesting reading for someone with an interest in geology, and I love both reading and geology...but what's interesting to a miner and an investor is tonnage." He went on to suggest that it might be worth considering the exploration results from Snap Lake using the game 'battleships' as an analogue. "You seem to have all your ducks all lined up in a row. The game goes on. I-11 hits a destroyer. So does I-12. I go fishing north and east L-12, L-13, I-14, L-16, J-13. More hits. No misses. No glancing blows either...they're all good solid hits from my thundering 15 inch guns...At just under a million tonnes per call...I've got a lot of tonnage. I've inferred this, rather reliably, because of the consistency in the results. And all without mentioning cone sheets...just by playing battleships." RealityCheck questioned whether the available data was sufficient to warrant the inference: "Does the data obtained from your thundering 15-inch guns warrant the conclusion that you have hit a mine-sweeper, destroyer, etc.? I'm not so certain. To be sure, evidence exists that something has been hit--and often. However, it could be that your barrage has been laid down on a closely spaced flotilla of pleasure craft. If they are very closely spaced--bow to stern and gunwale to gunwale--the probability of a hit with every shot is very high. However, even the small spaces entailed by the shape of the boats have implications once the analogy is turned back to a consideration of the real object, a kimberlite body." The two seemed to reach some broad agreement on the nature of data and its interpretation but WillP is satisfied that the data indicates that the tonnage is there.
Taking up another line of discussion, DiamondWillie wrote: "I'm operating under the assumption that WSP gives a speculator/investor more bang for the buck (hereinafter "MBFDB") at the moment than any of the other players with any sort of proven or semi-proven resource. Am I wrong?" WillP was ready with a balanced response: "Well, if you're looking for the best bang...be careful it doesn't blow in your face. The best bangs are usually the long shots. They of course carry the biggest risks...Winspear? Yeah. Probably a decent bang here. It's far enough along you can reasonably calculate the odds. It's a 50-cent stock if Snap goes real bad. What's the upside? Well...how about a median positive bulk sample that I calculated at $180 per tonne. DeutschBank calculated a share price for something in this range...it was around $8.00 or a bit more. So...maybe you could triple." A more optimistic assessment was offered by jspec in three 'out-on-the-limb predictions: "1. The 6000 bulk sample will come in at >$200/t. 2. Ultimate tonnage will exceed 20 million tons. 3. Snap Lake will be acknowledged as one of the world's great diamond mines, if not the best." In a related discussion, RealityCheck invited comments regarding some of the information in the widely-hailed Deutsche Bank Securities report, addressing jspec: "To return to your figures, I noticed that you begin with $200/t and move up in $50 increments. According to the DBS report, the big question now is value. What if the grade is maintained but the value is not? Is the project, as you have outlined it, viable at $175/t, $150/t?" Drawing attention to some of the concerns raised in the report, he went on: "I think the report raises some worthwhile points regarding financing, potential dilution, and 'the long dull period leading up to production'. Much of that may be of little interest to those with a shorter time horizon but I wonder if the current price level can be maintained during what some might consider the long dull period before the results of the 6,000 t sample are available. Of course, there will be some excitement building before the results but is there going to be much of interest over the next month or two?" To this point, that discussion has not been picked up, though teevee proposed a scenario addressing the suggestion in the research report about the necessity of costly underground bulk sampling: "Here is a hypothetical scenario for you to consider.....Imagine if Winspear bought a 100 t per day portable diamond plant (they are available for about $1-million bucks)? This could be set up on site (probably a couple of flat bed trailer loads) under an inflatable structure in a very short period of time. A decline could then be driven right down the cone sheet, to cross cuts heading off to individual blocks for test mining and grade evaluation (as an aside, subject to finding the feeder zone, they could ramp down the cone sheet through payable rock all the way to the pipe). The rock could be run through the portable diamond plant and likely provide substantial offsetting cash flows (maybe even positive ones), assuming the grades stand up."
On yet another thread, discussion turned to the possibility of a takeover, with RBC suggesting, "Aber is well financed and is in a good position to make a cash and stock bid for Winspear." That did not seem to generate much enthusiasm but WillP offered some further comments: "I'm betting that far more likely a scenario is some deal between Aber, Winspear, possibly DDML (RTZ) and DeBeers...concerning marketing of diamonds from Diavik and Snap, and possible participation in the latter in exchange for footing some costs." The Doctor, well-connected by his own account, brought some heated responses with his contribution: "My friends, I have an associate 'close' to DeBeers and we shared a belly shake over this rumour this very afternoon. Not only is WSP not even a casual target, our super diamond friends are interested almost exclusively in targets outside of North America, perhaps more specifically in Brazil?" He went on: "Diamonds fit for emery board or drill bits at best, and that assumes they came from the site...Why is WSP's price where it is still? How has it held even this level? Promotion, promotion, and more promotion." Fortunately, some cooler heads discredited some of The Doctor's claims with facts rather than abuse and the discussion quickly returned to more interesting considerations, not all of which could be accommodated here. Winspear closed the week at $3.35.

(c) Copyright 1999 Canjex Publishing Ltd. canada-stockwatch.com




To: marcos who wrote (15076)2/22/1999 2:44:00 PM
From: John Paquet  Respond to of 26850
 
Macros Silly Boy;

Stop this childish play right now, it just waste your time.

Look the price last traded WSP 3.35 upticked

ARP 3.85 downticked +.13

Yahohohohohohohohohohohohoho!!!!! despite DOW UP 180 points, gold down more than a buck.

Yahghohohohohohohohohohoho!!!!!!!

John Paquet