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Politics : Bill Clinton Scandal - SANITY CHECK -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 12:33:00 AM
From: Dan B.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
What's this malarky about the guys here settling for something less than they'd want...???? Your very words DID imply they lied about their wives success...need I paste them here? Now you make it worse. Still presumptous as hell and inventing realities to suit your notions. I'm sure if you knew these people you would learn of far different situations than you imagine.

Clinton and Lewinsky carried on AT WORK....Jordan sought her a job "certainly on the President's behalf"
>>Why not focus on the fact that Clinton married a
powerful woman, that must be a crime, right? Or the fact that he lets women
lawyers defend him in the most important case in his life, or the fact that he has all
these female appointments on his staff - why donesn't the right focus on those
heinous crimes huh? <<

Right, they are not crimes, those. :-) Trouble is, to ignore the man's treatment of women in it's TOTALITY...when Clinton is obviously the type of lying two-timer power abuser you decry, and womens groups normally, rightfully decry, is looking very bad. And it is bad.

The worst abusers are OFTEN the best romancers...an enigma glaringly public at this point. Women's groups need a therapist at this point. Their man has been bad to them and they need the courage to leave him. "oh, but he can be SO nice at other times...I love him so...he doesn't mean to hurt me" BUT HE DOES HURT WOMENS GROUPS WITH HIS BEHAVIOR



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 12:40:00 AM
From: JBL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
<He has slept with 300 women, etc (btw that fact in particular makes
this Broadrick story a bit inconceivable - hundreds of women, year after year and this one "violent" case from 20 years ago? I smell a rat).>

Michelle,

If you were one of these victims, would you come forward ?

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A 1969 charge by a Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English
woman who said Clinton assaulted her after she met him at a pub
near the Oxford University campus where the future President
was a student. A retired State Department employee, who asked
not to be identified, confirmed this week that he spoke with the
family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton
admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual.
The victim's family declined to pursue the case;

In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale
University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, who was a
law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired
campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the
incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last
week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further;

In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas
complained that then-law professor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her
from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped
her and forced his hand inside her blouse. Clinton claimed the
student ''came on'' to him and she left the school shortly after the
incident. Reached at her home in Texas last week, the former
student confirmed the incident, but declined to go public with her
account. Several former students at the University have confirmed
the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other
reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said
he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick required treatment for a
bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit
her during the rape;

From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of
Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor reported
seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or
attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state
trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those
assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?";

Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she
met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly
thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel
room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in,
he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed
at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that
for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it
into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."

Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America
crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex
with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward,
who is now married with the last name of Gracen, told an
interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was
consensual. She later recanted that interview and said had been
threatened by Clinton supporters into claiming the sex was
consensual.

Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual
harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little
Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and
demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently
with a cash payment.

Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political
fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to
his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She
says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper
stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if
everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and
she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he
advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working.
Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at
her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned
that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when
he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign
plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself
to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral
sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an
obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young
flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White
House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going
public about the assault.

Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton
grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his
genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey,
who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of
a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 2:27:00 AM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
You are so presumptuous... I married my wife because she was the smartest woman I could find, and she is older than me because I couldn't find a woman mature enough and sophisticated enough among women my own age. You don't really know any of us, but psycho- analyze us as an alternative to engaging in honest policy debates.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 2:32:00 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 67261
 
By the way, tonight she is in New York on a business trip, visiting Standard and Poor's, the Economist Intelligence Unit, Dun and Bradstreet, the Financial Times (of London), the Minolta Corporation, and Reed Elsevier. I am immensely proud of her, as she is making quite lucrative deals for the professional association she works for.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 8:43:00 AM
From: DMaA  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 67261
 
I just think that they would prefer to be married to someone less intelligent and more helpless that they are.

Not me. Nothing more repellant to me than a clingy dependant woman. I have avoided them all my life. Finally found the strongest brightest one out there and married her.

DMA.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 10:20:00 AM
From: Johannes Pilch  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 67261
 
>I just think that they would prefer to be married to someone less intelligent and more helpless that they are.<

Hehe. Wanna get married?



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 1:07:00 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 67261
 
<<He has slept with 300 women, etc (btw that fact in particular makes this Broadrick story a bit inconceivable - hundreds of women, year after year and this one "violent" case from 20 years ago? I smell a rat).>>

You are saying that because what: No other rapes were reported? Someone this active sexually doesn't need to rape somebody to have sex? Neither of these explains rape, so what is your point? I see nothing inconceivable here, especially your convenient dismissal of Juanita. I have to admit though, I gave you credit for a couple of days there when you stopped posting clintonista stuff.

<<Why not focus on the fact that Clinton married a powerful woman, that must be a crime, right? >>

I don't see your point. My wife is more highly educated and world afluent than me. I married her for the interesting companionship and compatability that scenario promised. The battle of the sexes is your issue not mine.

<<Or the fact that he lets women lawyers defend him in the most important case in his life, or the fact that he has all these female appointments on his staff - why donesn't the right focus on those heinous crimes huh? >>

I have not been seeing this as a focus. Now that you mention it though it must be very validating for people like you. I can see why you are threatened. It is a separate issue though.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 2:40:00 PM
From: Bill  Respond to of 67261
 
<<I just think that they would prefer to be married to someone less intelligent and more helpless than they are.>>

If that were the case, you would have marriage proposals from all of us. :-)



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (35052)2/23/1999 7:28:00 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 67261
 
<<My standards for success are very high, btw.>>

ching, ching.