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To: mark silvers who wrote (24666)2/23/1999 9:06:00 AM
From: PROLIFE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mornin Markus,

I know you won't mind if I jump in...:o)

The salvation message is crystal clear.>>

What he said here is very clear. And the salvation message(notwithstanding all the other stuff we discuss) is crystal clear.

There is salvation in NO ONE ELSE.

Acts 4:
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Acts 2:
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.



To: mark silvers who wrote (24666)2/23/1999 9:23:00 AM
From: DLL  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Dear Mark;

Many people simply do not read for themselves or accept what others say about the Word. Some are very invested in having their own views reinforced rather than following sound principles of hermeneutics in order to let the Bible speak for itself. In my opinion the idea of verbal plenary inspiration is very important. We need to determine what the original authors had in mind when they wrote and remember that every word was inspired by God himself. Some here wish to believe that only through special revelation can anyone understand the Bible. This is called gnosticism and is a serious error. The bottom line is that we should take nobody's ideas and accept them as fact, rather we must search the scripture ourselves and allow God to speak to us directly. As we continue our study we need to learn sound principles of interpretation which the church has accepted and agreed to for the most part. Many people simply appoint themselves experts with little formal training or concern for proper exegesis and hermeneutics.

The bottom line is that once you have read a portion of scripture, (perhaps the book of John :>), then perhaps you would have much more valuable input on the discussion.

In Yeshua's love for you - DLL



To: mark silvers who wrote (24666)2/23/1999 8:15:00 PM
From: IN_GOD_I_TRUST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Mark,

Read this post again...

Message 7829324

The Christian faith is laid out simply in 4 simple laws. How much more simple could it be?

As far as my past statements, I do not think they are at odds with each other. The Christian faith is easy to understand and the additional scripture not included in the 4 laws are not vitally important to the Christian faith. Understanding the 4 laws are and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is all you need!

I care not to address the rest of your post, as it will lead to the same conversations that we had in the past, and no conclusion. Just circular conversation with no possible end. My faith is grounded in cement and will not be changed. I'm not sure what you are looking for or if you care to find it.

If you truly ever want answers to the Christian faith and have questions about salvation, please feel free to post to me. But I personally do not care to talk about non essential Christian topics at this point.

I am very sorry if this hurtful or seems insensitive in anyway. But I am trying to stay focused on the one true Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And the conversation you care to discuss will take the focus off him. It always has in the past.

God Bless You in Your Search For the Truth,
Steve