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To: John Mansfield who wrote (4128)2/26/1999 1:47:00 PM
From: John Mansfield  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9818
 
'> Yet an other word we all seem to have a different meaning for. Dale
> gives his meaning below.
>
> What do YOU mean when you say 'panic' in regards to Y2K?
>
> Panic (with a capital 'P') to me is:
>
> When, WITHOUT looking for it, you hear 15+ Y2K items per day in the
> 'mainstream media'.
>
> When so called 'Conventional Wisdom' in the USA is 'prepare for 1 month
> plus' or look foolish.
>
> When 1/10th oz. gold Am. eagles hit a 100% premium over bullion content.
> (it's aprox. 35% as of today)
>
> When not only first, but also second choice preperation items are harder
> to find then a Furby was in mid Dec. last year.
>
> Anyone else want to give their idea of Y2K Panic?

PANIC is when people act irrationally, usually as a mob or herd.

Under this definition, things would have to be pretty extreme to qualify,
as most things could be construed as logical preparation, even if everyone
is doing it. Your 100% premium on gold might do it. Other things that would
fit my definition:

1) Bank closings due to y2k withdrawls.

2) Violent altercations over goods in stores; looting; other lawbreaking

3) Leaving the city suddenly without anywhere in the country to go to.

4) y2k-related suicides.

5) declaration of martial law "just in case" something happens

You know you're panicking when your entire life is about y2k. I was near
that point about 6 months ago; I'm not now.

--
Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be
changed regularly, and for the same reason.
--OaktOne@webtv.net
.....................................
Jeffrey Quick
_____

from c.s.y2k



To: John Mansfield who wrote (4128)2/26/1999 2:09:00 PM
From: John Mansfield  Respond to of 9818
 
'Y2kWatch News - Information for Education and Preparation
.....

// Y2k around the world //

Americans are myopic. We think the world revolves around us. Y2k
will be a rude awakening to this arrogant perspective. I was going to
write on this issue for today's post, but someone sent me a very well
written article by Byron Belitsos that did a fine job coving the
topic. No need to reinvent the wheel, but Byron's article is a bit
too long for this forum. I've posted the entire piece at
y2kwatch.com and you'll find the link to the full article after
this excerpt.

---

// OVERSEAS Y2K: FACING THE GLOBAL DIMENSION //

By Byron Belitsos

Let's say the current view of mainstream Wall Street analysts is right
and the best-case Y2K scenario comes to pass-the millennium rollover
is virtually a non-event in the U.S. The dreaded day arrives, and
thousands of Y2K remediation projects nationwide are on time, fully
tested, with few residual bugs. Those lone-wolf alarmists--like
Deutsche Morgan Grenfell's chief economist Dr. Edward Yardeni--are now
instantly discredited. Those of us who spent hundreds of dollars
stockpiling goods, or who listened to recommendations to pull out of
the stock market by mid-1999, are walking around feeling rather
sheepish. Our skeptic friends tease us, "I told ya so!"

Rejoice, friends, for we've won the Y2K war! Never mind that total
national spending on remediation surpassed the cost of Vietnam; not to
worry that the $500 billion or so spent on Y2K repairs created no
bottom-line returns. We--the greatest country in the world--we've
absorbed those costs and suffered just a few hours or days of
down-time. The largest computer project ever--"the single most
expensive problem of all time" says The Economist magazine--was
mastered by American ingenuity. Your job and your company's future are
now secure from the frightful bug. And from here on it's smooth
sailing for the global markets into the new millennium, right?

Wrong...

After all the champagne bottles are cleaned up from Times Square,
something quite off the radar screens of Americans (at least as I
write this piece in late February) will occur. Quietly, but
inexorably, there will be thousands, even tens of thousands, of
simultaneous Y2K failures overseas. The trillion or so spent on Y2K
outside the U.S. will not have squashed the bug. At first, these hits
will go unnoticed in the U.S. press; those who discounted domestic Y2K
paranoia--and were proven right--aren't likely to be watching for
Y2K's bite overseas.

And what about you and me? Will we notice, or even care? Well, when's
the last time you, your employer, or your stockbroker worried about
the state of information processing in Italy, or China, or Malaysia?
Or, about arcane questions such as these:

* How are programmers at Telebras, the Brazilian phone company, doing
on its Y2K fix? (It has been described by Merrill Lynch as "woefully
uncompliant." Dr. Yardeni commented that the crash of Brazil's
telephone system "alone could cause a disruption of global
just-in-time production severe enough to trigger a global recession.")

* What's the latest on Y2K remediation in the French nuclear power
industry? (France is heavily dependent on nuclear power and is racing
to complete Y2K remediation in this sector.)

* What's the status of the Y2K fix in Germany, now that the conversion
to the Euro is completed? (Germany is suprisingly far behind, and has
been rated with third-world countries such as Turkey and India.)

* Will Russia be able to deploy its talented pool of programmers this
year to fix at least some of it mission-critical systems? (It's widely
known that Russia is "toast" as far as Y2K is concerned. The
Y2K-induced collapse of parts of its infrastructure will affect Europe
too; for example, Russia provides 40 percent of Germany's power.)

* Will Italy's inefficient beauracracy be able to enforce Y2K
compliance standards in time? (A recent BBC story reports, "The
Italian government did create a panel of unpaid experts, but gave it
no support staff to carry out its recommendations.")

* How goes it with Japan's banks, some of which are now teetering on
collapse? (A key survey showed that Japan's leading 19 banks are
spending about the same on Y2K as Citicorp, just a single American
bank; but remember, Japan's banks are the world's largest.)

In my estimation, such questions will become front and center in
calculating the future of the global economy, the security of your
job, the value of your 401k, or the prospects for your investments or
your small business. For anyone not living in a forest monastery in
Thailand, Y2K's international dimension will soon have to be factored
into their lifestyle. "Overseas Y2K" will join the many better-known
indices of global economic performance, most of which already point to
a global recession. But it also has an upside: As we'll see, the
reality of overseas Y2K binds humanity together in new ways, linking
our common fate more closely than ever before.

I have personally reviewed the literature, and the following
conclusion is getting hard to refute: Outside of the U.S., the UK,
Canada, and Australia, all too many countries are perilously behind in
their Y2K efforts. And these countries' infrastructures-even the
poorer countries such as Turkey-are deeply dependent on aging
information systems that support telecommunications, manufacturing,
transportation, power, and government services. And further, pervasive
Y2K failures overseas will negatively impact U.S. industries that are
highly integrated with the global economy.

---end of excerpt---

For the Full Article go to:

y2kwatch.com
(be sure the whole link is pasted in your browser) If you're having
trouble linking, just go to y2kwatch.com and click on the
Y2kWatch News Archive link in the menu. This article is posted in the
"General Archive" section of my website.




To: John Mansfield who wrote (4128)2/26/1999 2:17:00 PM
From: Jeff Mizer  Respond to of 9818
 
Y2K is now divided into 4 teams
Personally we are on B team -- where are you ? Not much time is left..... don't underestimate the possibility of something happening or leaking out in '99 before you are ready.

a. In a western rural retreat hunkered down
b. Preparing calmly and have differant plans ready for any level of bump, recession, depression or disaster
c. Paralyzed- unsure what to do Like to prepare but..... plenty of time left That was ok in 98
d. denial wouldn't do anything NO MATTER what warnings were given Reading just what the gov't "officially" says should move them to C
People in C & D will make any problems so much worse with the lack of planning resulting in panic.

Jeff