To: Clarksterh who wrote (28768 ) 3/3/1999 12:15:00 PM From: Sun Tzu Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 70976
Sigh! Here is my last post on this topic. First of all, you did lose 75% to inflation during the 70s and over 80% in you go from 1966 to 1982. I know this from several sources. Check your numbers again. I am not going to argue about the inflation rate since 1982 because I am not as sure of that. I also prefer to use CRB as my proxy for inflation rather than CPI because CPI is open to government interpretation of the "quality" improvement of goods, and that is too subjective for me. Also, last I checked DJIA was below 9300 and falling, so the returns are a factor of 9.3 (and perhaps a lot less by then end of the year <G>) But even taking your inflation rate since 1982, you still get 9.3 x 0.2 (should be 0.15 but I'm being generous here) x 0.57 (your inflation rate) and AT BEST you get 1.06 or a 6% gain in 33 years (excluding dividends). This is the average annual gain of only 0.1%. This is far less than what the public is told and is certainly not worth the risks. Show me a an investment book that has revealed the numbers this way. You can't because the people who write those books make their living by convincing the public that they should be in the stock market (either directly or more often via mutual funds). This has been the biggest marketing blitz of the century. There is also other reasons why the pro stock market arguement is so appealing. One is that it promises you sweet rewards with no efforts (just buy and hold it says, in the long run you are a winner). The other is that humans remember events in their early life and the most recent events best. The in between stuff gets to be forgotten. The baby boom generation thus remembers the bull market of the 50s and 60s and the recent great bull run of the past 17 years. But life is a bit more complicated than just buy and hold. I also have two other reasons for you to ponder on. Neither of which have to do with mathematics: If all you have to do is just buy the market and hold it and you can be certain that in the long run (whatever that means) you can sell your stocks with fair profits, then the market valuation should approach infinity. Valuation becomes meaningless because it does not matter how much you pay for it, if it goes down all you have to do is wait and you'll be fine. If Rome had a stock market, 200 BC to 200 AD would have been one hell of a bear market. Of course, if you waited 2000 years, then you're ok <G>. Secondly, if there was any one thing in life that was sure to increase always (again in the long run ), then that thing would have ballooned to engulf the universe by now. It has not happend with bonds, gold, oil, real estate, etc. and it will not happen with stocks either. That is just the nature's way of keeping things in check. I repeat, in the long run, no matter what you invest in, you will bread about even. Now on to your other point:smaller companies tend to have correspondingly higher rates of return on average to 'adjust' for that risk. This is another popular myth. Read James O'Shaunessy's What works on Wall ST. He did a thorough research of the stock market since the turn of the century. It turns out that that statement applies only to the bottom 10% of the market capitalization (companies that have under 20 million market cap). But in order to make it work, you have to own over 2000 different ones to diversify enough. Beyond that the statement does not hold water. best regards, Sun Tzu