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To: sdr who wrote (6270)3/6/1999 7:20:00 PM
From: bob  Respond to of 8581
 
From our friend Keith Wooten on USENET. Lively discussion on what
would be the most cost effective and efficient solution for running
java, ie; picoJava, strongArm, or PSC10000, the strongARM representing a general purpose processor needing a JIT:

Re: Sun opens picoJava and SPARC design sources
Author: Keith Wootten <Keith@wootten.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1999/03/05
Forum: comp.lang.java.machine
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In article <7bmmnn$5e3@edrn.newsguy.com>, steve@blighty.com writes
>In article <36e1c4b5.73617746@news.bctel.ca>, roedy@mindprod.com says...
>>
>>On 4 Mar 1999 14:28:22 GMT, lindahl@pbm.com (Greg Lindahl) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Yes. But to belabor the obvious, using a general purpose processor
>>>with a JVM might produce much higher performance at the cost of only a
>>>modest increase in ram use. The answer of "which is better?" then
>>>depends on the details.
>>
>>If you use a JIT, you need the RAM for the JIT and the JITTED code on
>>top of the original code. This is not the sort of thing you want in a
>>cellphone where battery life is also a consideration.
>
>But if using JIT lets you use a processor with a cleaner architecture
>and better implementation, so saving lots of power over native java...
>
> PicoJava-II: 3W springs to mind for one 0.25u implementation, but I don't
> have firm figures to hand.
>
> StronArm SA-1100: 250mW @ 200MHz in an older 0.35u technology.
>

Patriot PSC1000: 165mW @ 100MHz @ $10 in 0.5um, 0.35um soon.

>...then JIT is still a big win over native java in low power applications.

Only if you ignore what seems to be the best solution, that is, a
general purpose stack processor optimised for Java.

Cheers
--
Keith Wootten