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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24831)	3/6/1999 2:05:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

""Therefore, brethren, we are debtors; not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh." (Rom 8:12 NKJV) "For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." (Rom 8:13 NKJV) "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." (Rom 8:14 NKJV)" We are ALL living in the Flesh since we are ALL sinners... Flesh is imperfect spirit is perfect. This is Earth NOT Heaven we ALL live in the Flesh. You claim to be a Christian but that does NOT make you sinless nor does it deem that you are SAVED unless you are truly sincere and are led by the Spirit. Flesh is who we ALL are spirit will be in effect when fleshly bodies die and we reap are spiritual bodies good or bad.............. On that, we can agree. Our greatest battle is with the exaltation of the flesh above the Spirit., nationality and race above the spiritual Church of Christ. That is a ridiculous statement.... Jews do NOT exalt themselves ABOVE God. They at least realize they are in the flesh you on the other hand think you are above ALL flesh and are spirit. Jews do NOT put themselves above GOD..... Why do you keep on putting out falsehoods to satisfy your hatred of Jews. Jews ore VERY spiritual people go visit Israel one day it may do you some good. Those who would insist upon a racial claim to raise them to brotherhood in Christ are false brethren. Race is real Emile your bigotry with regards to it is getting old. This is the focal point of our disagreements on this thread--the Zionist and dispensational plan of racial salvation is exalted, but the racial salvation of the Klan and Aryan nation is condemned. The above tells it all with regards to where you are coming from. You make NO sense at all.... Again find yourself an Exorcist.... Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24831)	3/6/1999 2:44:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile (from Nancy), 3: For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5: Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Do you question God in these verses? Are you comparing these promises to the Europeans? At the time that Paul said this there were no European believers yet and there was no heritage for those people yet. However, many Europeans later followed the Lord and many did not. Rejection is universal. The acts they commited in WWII were disgusting and evil most of all because they like yourself claimed to know the Lord Jesus and continue to hate. You say the Klan and Aryans are condemned, I say since they say they see the truth their sin remains. The Jews are in a defensive mode aainst people like you and your Klan and are not using the name of the Lord as the Klan is. In your words Emile, God has failed to save the Jews He made all these promises to, and the majority of the Church is doomed because of false doctrine. Only a few like you are able to be saved. Who has pride here Emile? God is mighty and victorious and I believe He loves the world and many will be saved thru the sacrifice of His Son. If no one had been with my father as he died you would have said he was condemned. How many does the Lord save that we do not know? Judgement is in the Lords hands not yours you are to love people as you love yourself and live after the Spirit, love joy, peace patientce, kindness, gentleness etc.... Many people have stated that it is clear from mine and ALans posts that we acknowledge that Jesus is the only means of salvation. You are only angry that you can not make us follow you in your sin of cendemning people. Nancy

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (24831)	3/13/1999 10:28:00 PM
From: David fisk	Respond to of 39621

Emile, Here is something else we can agree on. "Jesus is the only means of salvation!" A Christian cannot think otherwise. If that person does think there is another way, they are delude and not a Christian at all, except by their own thinking. This is the most horrible type of position to be in, thinking one is a Christian but in reality he/she is not. God help those that be trapped in the grip of satan who can appear as an angle of light. About your other statement, "The Klan, the Aryan nations and the Zionist all share this false vision of salvation. Fundamentalist dispensationalist and Zionist condemn the European vision of racial salvation while simultaneously exalting and praising the Zionist vision. " . I have been a Baptist for 54 years. I am now 68 years young, I have been in Southern Baptist churches in Texas, Lousianna, and Oklahoma during those years. I have never heard anyone so much as mention Klan, Aryan, Zionist as a way of salvation. However, I am aware there are some, mostly independent Baptist Churches, that are extremely fundamental, and some of them support such ideas. If I ever accidentally found myself in a church of that caliber, I would get up and walk out. Southern Baptists that I know preach only one way, "For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;" (1 Cor 1:22 NKJV) "but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness," (1 Cor 1:23 NKJV) "but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." (1 Cor 1:24 NKJV) "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." (1 Cor 1:25 NKJV) "For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called." (1 Cor 1:26 NKJV) God will have His way, no matter what false doctrine is preached, what false prophet preaches it, nor how long, nor from where, or with what signs and wonders. The battle by satan goes on to his predetermined end. I am reminded of the man up a tree who saws the limb from under him never realizing his stupid action because he is so consumed with his incorrect thinking, and is so blindly wrong. Rather like Judas, determined to make things go his way, yet falling into certain destruction. Bro Emile, you said, "I have been in dozens of Baptist Churches and have never found even ONE that does not support this false duality--racial salvation okay for Zionism and modern Jew but bad and evil for Europeans." May I say, I have never heard it preached. So, if you would give me the names of those churches I will be careful to avoid them. I have another idea, maybe you need to try another dozen Baptist churches. May I suggest Lakepoint Baptist church in Rockwall, Texas. You will discover a world of difference. Love you brother, be kind and gentle as Christ is. God bless, David