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To: Grainne who wrote (32108)	3/7/1999 9:20:00 AM
From: Edwarda	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, for pity's sake, we just managed to get rid of him! Please don't invite him back to go over the same cockamamie circles again. Even those of us who are of Christian faiths told him to go away.

To: Grainne who wrote (32108)	3/7/1999 10:10:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi Christine, An interesting post, let me see... <<First, how can you prove this is true? I asked Bob here once, what was Jesus' real name, for starters? Jesus simply means "savior". So what can you tell me about whoever the young, charismatic rural rabbi was who came to be called Jesus much later?>> I think it's true that Jesus was named Jesus from the start. But in His language. I have read that in Hebrew it is Yeshua and the Greek for Yeshua is Jesus. I understand that Yeshua was a common name like Bob, Tom, or Bill. This would possibly be symbolic of His mission for the common man to identify with the masses as He always did. But Jesus (Yeshua) does not mean savior, Christ means savior. Yeshua Christ = Jesus Savior. This would distinguish Him from all the other Yeshua's. The Hebrew language had a way of distinguishing people in that way. Their name plus an identifier. Someone more knowledgeable could explain that aspect of the Hebrew language better. If the Gospel's started out in Hebrew then were translated to Greek then Jesus started as Yeshua and became Jesus in the Greek. <<Secondly, my understanding is that Mary was perhaps actually impregnated by a Roman soldier. What is immaculate about this conception? Are you aware that the virgin birth story runs through many ancient mythologies?>> This story was circulated to discredit the virgin birth by the Hebrew priests because they knew it was a requirement for the appearance of the Savior from the old testament prophecies about the Savior. If you want concrete proof you will have to find a time machine, go back and follow Mary around for around 9 or 10 months. But the anti story has no more credibility than the virgin birth. Being raised Catholic (Reilly!) the virgin birth is part of my upbringing. <<Third, on what basis do you assume that there is everlasting life? Are you aware that, statistically speaking, the poorer and less educated people are, the more likely they are to believe in life after death? Historically, this has been the way that oppressive leaders keep the poor quiet, hoping for something in the next life to ameliorate the pain and struggle of this one. >> The question of everlasting life. What a challenge! I look at it this way. In my life I have definite proof that I am a spirit being in a physical body. This proof to me is beyond question. The physical body is what gets old and wears out, the spirit not being physical will not wear out with it. I will go on being everything I am conscious of now without my body. And I am not alone in that knowledge as so many people have come to the same conclusion, and even Tibbetan priests astro-project and have taught others to leave their bodies for short periods to travel outside as a spirit. Something I also did once but had no desire to do again, I guess I'm too attached to my body right now! LOL

To: Grainne who wrote (32108)	3/7/1999 1:35:00 PM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Christine, Of course you have a lot of doubts, in fact probably more so than most people because you have spent your entire life trying to disprove the existence of God. You have heard the gospel message preached and have continually rejected it but you just can't shake the thought that you just might be wrong....right? You have been told that Jesus died upon the cross in order to bear the penalty of sin but that doesn't move you because you don't want to accept the fact that your a sinner...correct? To argue over who Jesus is really just exposes the fact that you have never thought of him as anything but an historical person, but the doubts are there... They will be there until the day you die and enter into judgement! You don't believe the bible but let these scriptures work on you over the next week or so. Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:7-8 Chris