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To: one_less who wrote (38115)	3/12/1999 1:12:00 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Respond to of 67261

>Reasonable people have determined the benefits of head pinching. They have used logic and determined it a useful solution to societal struggles.< Yes, but the basis of this “logic” is barbarity. If one allows the barbaric principle upon which this “logic” exists then this principle can support assaults upon any human so long as power can develop to execute the assault. There is no real logic hear, and it is certainly not civilized. This is my point, the claim that abortion is reasonable is false. >When you reduce the issue to its essential principle, killing a human being, or not. Many people have concluded that they can't determine the point at which a human being exists vs a production of bodily flesh held in the womans uterus, which may or may not continue to develop.< In fact they do claim “they can't determine the point at which a human being exists vs a production of bodily flesh held in the womans uterus, which may or may not continue to develop.” They claim this the very moment they kill the child. Now then I ask how is it they know this organism is expendable? >As a result reasonable people have tried to create a matrix of decision making based on how serious the situation is for the mother and whether or not their is a viable "human being" in the womb.< This is not reasonable, my friend. The “reasoning” here is based upon the barbarity of Might makes Right. This is pure nihilism. >This effort is a distracting waste of time. Ultimately no one can define with confidence where in the variables of such a matrix must be boxed. So, with a nudge there is nothing and any whim becomes validated on any premise you can propose. The only possible outcome of this course is to let the mother and or the doctor decide.< And when they decide, they in effect claim they simply do not care whether or not the being they are murdering is human. They claim simply that they have the Might to kill it and that that is good enough for them. There is no civilized behaviour here. This is barbarity to the extreme, and it can be applied to anyone. Indeed it is this principle that was applied to African slaves and the Jews of the holocaust. Hitler would have been right had he not lost because the principle upon which his exterminations rested was Might makes Right. This principle, when applied to human relations is nothing but pure barbarism. >The other conclusion to the essential principle in question drawn by reasonable people is that a human being does exist in utero. Some of these people buy into the idea that we should be able to set a mark during pregnancy where a human being begins to exist and allow abortion prior to that point.< Whenever they set this marker, it will be arbitrary. If it is arbitrary it can change. If it can change then anyone can be included in the expendable group. When a person is murdered on the basis of being included in the expendable group, it amounts to nothing but pure barbarism. >Some reasonal people challenge this idea claiming that you cannot know the precise point where a human being exists so establishing any kind of abortion marker allows for the presumption that some if not all of the aborted fetuses are human beings. That is me.< You have no need to assume anything. You see, you do not make the claim that the unborn child is expendable. You merely need allow it to do its thing. It is those who aim to kill the thing who must prove with reason its expendability. If they cannot, and then kill it, they engage in pure barbarism.