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To: Frodo Baxter who wrote (8278)	3/12/1999 7:09:00 PM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 9980

We've disagreed on a lot of things before, but I'll agree with you here. No external influence will ever move China closer to democracy and respect for human rights. Internal demands will, and as the prosperity of individual Chinese increases, those demands will get stronger and stronger. Excommunicating China will only slow that process down.

To: Frodo Baxter who wrote (8278)	3/14/1999 11:01:00 PM
From: Liatris Spicata	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9980

Lawrence- <<Finally, your contention that personal prosperity is unlinked to personal freedom is absurd and unsupported by history.>> Kindly cite where I made such a claim. The Chinese leaders today bear no resemblence to the "butchers of Tianemen." >> I beg to differ. Neither has permitted a scintilla of political opposition or freedom. Economic reforms were well in place under Deng. Larry

To: Frodo Baxter who wrote (8278)	3/16/1999 7:48:00 AM
From: Liatris Spicata	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9980

Lawrence- I challenged you a couple of days ago to cite where I had claimed, "personal prosperity is unlinked to personal freedom". You have not bothered to defend your version of what I have said. Could it be that your claim is twaddle- false twaddle at that? I would not have placed you in the category of posters who freely misrepresent a person's position in order to attack that person or his ideas. I might have expected that you would be honest enough to admit it if you erred in such a way. Should I change my estimation?? Larry P.S. Not that I particularly want to debate the matter, but I'll go on record as saying I suspect the relationship between prosperity and freedom is a complex one not readily given to definition in general terms. P.P.S. A Chinese colleague made the following point to me yesterday. Any Chinese citizen in China today who seriously sought to investigate the abuses of the Chinese Communist Party risked a lengthy prison sentence. His family might find certain services normally extended by the state would become unavailable. Other than that, I'm sure China is a model of respect for human rights.