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Strategies & Market Trends : Roger's 1998 Short Picks -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: michel ciambra who wrote (17687)3/14/1999 11:33:00 PM
From: scope  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 18691
 
bull markets start with the UTILITIES and end with the OILS.If that is true this time,then we are at the TOP.



To: michel ciambra who wrote (17687)3/14/1999 11:54:00 PM
From: Kailash  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 18691
 
michel - "a few months"? I hereby nominate you a bear. Don't get exasperated with us; we've been right all along, but it takes the rest of the world a while to catch up...

:-)

Kailash



To: michel ciambra who wrote (17687)3/15/1999 7:04:00 PM
From: Oeconomicus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 18691
 
michel, hardly sensationalism to express one's opinion of a market top. I seriously doubt that Roger is "oblivious" to much of anything. Though I may not agree with his prediction of rising inflation or that the recent rise in interest rates is anything more than a short-term blip, he is very right about one thing to which you and other "this party's not over just yet" bulls do seem oblivious. Did you know that the S&P 500 now stands at a PE multiple of 34.7? That's a good ten or eleven points higher than any peak prior to this extended bubble and most prior peaks, as someone else noted, came at times of depressed earnings late in recessions - i.e. at the beginning of a recovery. Are you suggesting that corporate earnings will surge ahead at 20-30% or higher for the next 2-3 years to bring valuations back toward historical norms? Or, are you suggesting that 30+ PEs are to become the norm due to some mysterious change in the laws of finance and economics? The fact is that interest rates are up about 3/4 of a point since last fall and that earnings (S&P) have done nothing but shrink for the last two years while the market's valuation continues to expand.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that economies around the world suddenly recover and US corporate profits surge, as a result, out of their current doldrums. That, IMO, would be a similar condition to a US recovery (with a few important exceptions which I will get to), so it may be reasonable for PEs to be at the high end of their historical range. By that standard, though, the market is about 40% overvalued (needs to correct by roughly 30%). Now, consider that the US economy (except for the corporate bottom line) is running full speed. Unemployment is at historically low levels (not recessionary levels) while consumer spending, job creation and other statistics continue to be very strong. The only weaknesses are in agriculture and some manufacturing industries, i.e. export dependent industries. In other words, there is very little slack in the US economy. If the global recovery scenario occurs without the US first slowing down a bit, Roger will be right about inflation (though maybe not due to oil) and, more importantly, about interest rates.

A further sharp rise in interest rates, with the market at such an extreme valuation, could make 1987 look like a picnic.

That said, I'm not predicting a crash (remember, I said "for the sake of argument"). I don't think the rest of the world is going to just bounce back into instant prosperity for one thing (Germany, for example, showed negative GDP growth in Q4), so a further sharp rise in rates seems unlikely near term. I also think that the extreme overvaluation is limited to a fairly narrow group of stocks and it may be possible for these narrow excesses to be shaken out without destroying the entire market or the economy (though a good correction in this narrow group certainly would tend to slow things down). A slowdown in domestic demand would in fact be very healthy as it would create slack to absorb any rebound in demand from overseas, allowing the Fed to avoid tightening.

So, good luck with those longs, guy ... there may only be a few months (or weeks or days) left in this baby.

JMO, of course.