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To: brian h who wrote (24210)	3/15/1999 11:27:00 AM
From: Jon Koplik	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 152472

Okay, fellow blabbermouths -- where is everyone today ? Jon. eom.

To: brian h who wrote (24210)	3/15/1999 1:24:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Political Rant: China and Zhu Rongji seem much more reasonable than these people: "Republican Congressional leaders in the U.S. have called into question the Clinton Administration's policy of ''constructive engagement'' with Beijing, pointing to claims of stolen military know-how, a widening trade imbalance, and worsening human rights abuses in China. " As Zhu and I have pointed out before, 1.2bn people in China are perfectly capable of developing anything they want to including military gadgets. Stealing ideas might help, but it would probably be better just to develop their own, which would give them the expertise to develop superior weaponry. Are the Republicans still talking about Super Spy Bernie Schwartz passing USA National Security Agency soldering secrets? The Republicans, it seems to me as an unbiased observer, are foaming at the mouth in apoplexy at their failure to nail Clinton. They need to get a grip. They seem unable to understand 'trade imbalances' either, even though I've explained them in detail. Possibly they haven't read SI, but ignorance of the law of the universe is no excuse. Oh, no! Worsening human rights in China! The USA must immediately panic and sweat about that though they didn't worry about a spot of ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, Rwanda and South Africa and didn't get all lathered up about negroes in the USA until very, very recently. They were happy to sit them on the back of buses, put Japanese Americans in jail during the second world war, jail marijuana smokers and growers - they are even today doing that, though it is done between consenting adults who avoid 'smoke-free' zones. The USA very recently did 'carpet bombing' of civilians in Vietnam, using napalm and other 'anti-personnel' explosives. They confiscated USA citizens and press-ganged them into military service against their will. I suppose some would say - Oh, but that was long ago! Well, the Tienanmen Square riot was long ago too. Now, don't mistake this as a "China can do no wrong" statement. It is more a 'pot calling the kettle black' situation. I think I would prefer to live in the USA and I'm pretty sure the 'human rights' situation is MUCH better in the USA than in China. In many respects anyway. But in many respects, I bet that China is better than the USA. For a start, I suspect I could walk down a lot more streets in China without being attacked than I could in the USA. Protection of people and their property is the number one job of governments in my book. I imagine that China's is a very repressive government - say 'boo' and you go to jail! You can't say or do much in NZ without going to jail either. The USA and NZ don't protect human rights. If somebody murders me and my family, they have to stay in a hotel for about 6 years where they have meals served, heating, phones, television, computers, gymnasium, books, etc. All mod cons! That is little disincentive to criminals. Same sort of thing applies, more or less, in the USA. They do a risk analysis and take up a life of crime. In China, they are executed and it doesn't take 15 years to execute them. The USA executes almost nobody. In NZ, none, and our murder rate, burglary rate, car theft, property theft and other crimes are soaring. Jail is now the exception for crimes and jail terms are brief. So listen up you Republicans - don't worry about the trade deficit. Leave China to sort out their own 'human rights' the same as they leave the USA to sort out their 'human rights'. If they steal some sensitive missiles from the USA, then demand it back again or shoot them! How did they sneak it out of the USA anyway? An easier way than shooting would be to tax any products coming from China into the USA. If they stole 'military design secrets', then that isn't really theft. That is copying. Copyright only exists in the framework of a bunch of consenting adults. The world is still a jungle of competing sovereign states despite the pretence of some bureaucracy at the United Nations. Copying isn't theft in that jungle. Let's make some jungle rules about intellectual property; and a lot more besides! Mqurice