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To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/16/1999 2:33:00 PM
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To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/17/1999 8:31:00 AM
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Drug Firms Turn to Women's Sexual Dysfunction
By Cecilia M. Kang

03/17/99
The Wall Street Journal

PALO ALTO, Calif. -- After the success of treatments for male-sexual dysfunctions, pharmaceutical companies are turning their attention to women.

According to a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association, 43% of 1,749 women sampled said they suffered sexual problems, compared with 31% of 1,410 men surveyed.

For the same reasons men's sexual dysfunctions have only recently been addressed -- social taboos, limited government funding and closeted demand for treatment -- research and drugs for women have moved slowly. Advances in female treatments have also lagged because women's dysfunctions are largely more complex than men's troubles, medical experts and drug companies said.

Women's problems range from lack of sexual desire, trouble attaining orgasm, vaginal dryness and pain associated with intercourse, according to a soon-to-be-published report by Irwin Goldstein, professor of urology at Boston University School of Medicine. Together with 18 other urologists, he has prepared what might be the first consensus classification on women's dysfunctions.

Working on the premise that women and men get aroused in basically the same way and are sexually hindered by the same things -- aging, fatty foods, smoking and alcohol -- drug companies are coming up with products based on existing treatments for men, but dressed to suit female needs. Hoping its much-ballyhooed Viagra will work the same physical and financial wonders, Pfizer Inc. is in the second phase of testing the impotence treatment on women and expects results from those tests later this year.

Viagra overwhelmingly dominates what some estimate as a $1 billion male market. The drug, which increases blood flow to the genitals, posted $788 million in sales during its first nine months despite reports of potential side effects.

And the company that created Prozac is also hoping to get in the business of sexual healing. Eli Lilly & Co. and Icos Corp. are in Phase II trials of an oral treatment using phophodiesterase type-5 inhibitors. Eli Lilly said it will enter its next phase of trials this year.

Several smaller drug companies also are forging ahead with remedies. Vivus Inc., a Mountain View, Calif., start-up, temporarily revived its depressed stock earlier this month with a patent for topical treatments using alprostadil, the same agent in its male-erectile drug Muse. Vivus said its female product will likely be a cream applied to the genitals to enhance blood flow as it does in Muse.

Pentech Pharmaceuticals Inc. also holds a patent for a blood-flow enhancement pill for females using apomorphinethe agent in its male treatment licensed to TAP, a joint venture of Abbott Laboratories and Takeda Chemical Industries Ltd. of Japan. The patent for the female version hasn't be licensed yet, the company said. The female version of apomorphine, which begins Phase II human trials in the second quarter, works through the central nervous system, and the Buffalo Grove, Ill., company says it works faster than Viagra to accelerate blood movement to the genitals.

Zonagen Inc., The Woodlands, Texas, is in Phase I human testing of a female version of its male impotence drug Vasomax, which also enhances the flow of blood to genitals. The company is testing a vaginal suppository version of the treatment and expects to remain in Phase I trials for the remainder of the year.

Hormone treatments are also in the works to perk up women's sexual desire and pleasure. Solvay Pharmaceuticals Inc., a unit of Belgium's Solvay SA, is making an oral hormone pill, and TheraTech Inc. is in Phase II clinical trials for a testosterone patch. Both hormone treatments are intended to strengthen sexual desire in menopausal women.

Then there are herbal remedies that aim to increase libido. Erogen Inc. of Marina Del Ray, Calif., said it is directly selling tablets that free existing testosterone in women, meant to increase female sexual desire. A spokeswoman said demand for the herbal medication has been overwhelming, forcing the company to hire answering services to handle what she said is a boom in orders. She declined to disclose specific order figures.

But until a definition and guidelines for symptoms and outcomes of sexual dysfunctions in women are widely accepted, the Food and Drug Administration will hold drugs from the public, said Vivus Chief Executive Officer Leland Wilson.

That notion is echoed by Dr. Goldstein, an expert on impotence and one of 19 medical experts working to create a consensus classification system for symptoms and outcomes of female-sexual dysfunctions. "The FDA isn't going to accept that drug company X's drugs cure female sexual disorders until the FDA knows the parameters of sexual dysfunction," he said.



To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/17/1999 8:40:00 AM
From: BigKNY3  Respond to of 9523
 
Viagra opens up opportunities for patients and industry alike
ELIZABETH NEUS

03/15/99
Gannett News Service
FINAL

Greg McGreer already knew a lot about treatments for impotence -- not only is he a psychotherapist specializing in sexual dysfunction, but his multiple sclerosis made him a candidate for medical remedies himself.

But when Viagra came along, he thought for three months before giving it a try. He compared the cost to that of his current treatment, the injectable Caverject, and considered some of the medical factors as well. Pure curiosity also played a part.

The payoff was not what he expected. ''The first time,'' said McGreer, 52, who practices in the Philadelphia area, ''(Viagra) didn't give me the effects I wanted. The Caverject erection is better than Viagra. It's more reliable.''

Patients and doctors alike are learning as they go when it comes to Viagra. That little blue pill, a revolutionary treatment for erectile dysfunction, the preferred term for impotence, is the only treatment that does not involve injecting, inserting or implanting something into the penis.

In theory, if a man takes Viagra an hour or so before intercourse and is in a situation where he could become sexually aroused, he will get an erection. Without the sexual stimulation -- which has to come from someplace other than Viagra, which is not a libido-booster -- the pill will do nothing.

To the dismay of about 30 percent of men who try it, it does nothing anyway. Among the other 70 percent, results may vary from man to man, even from dose to dose. But there is no way yet to find out without trying it.

''Many people didn't quite understand what the promise of Viagra was. The promise was that it would help between 65 percent and 70 percent of people, and to that extent it has,'' said Dr. Geoffrey Sklar, a urologist at the University of Maryland Medical Center who was among the original Viagra researchers. ''People thought it would be something that would make sex better, and it's not.''

Standard procedure for men who want to try Viagra begins with a visit to the doctor -- unless he buys it off the Internet, a practice which infuriates both urologists and Pfizer, the drug's maker. Viagra has enough potentially dangerous side effects, and a long enough list of people who should not take it, that a physical is recommended before a prescription is written.

Impotence can be a sign something else is physically wrong with a man.

''I diagnose a dozen cases of diabetes a year and hypertension that's gone untreated,'' said Dr. Andre Guay, an endocrinologist and director of the Center for Sexual Function at the Lahey Clinic near Boston.

''Anyone I've got any concern about, I call in a cardiologist and make them take an exercise stress test. We send about 10 people a year to get cardiac rehabilitation before (beginning) therapy,'' said Dr. John Mulhall, director of the Center for Male Sexual Health at Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill.

The standard prescription is between 6 and 8 pills a month, although some men complain that is not enough, while others can make it last a while. ''Older couples aren't looking to be porn stars. Maybe once or twice a week, Saturday night. These guys just want to be normal guys,'' said Dr. J. Francois Eid, director of the Erectile Dysfunction Unit at the New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center.

For the majority of men, the most common side effects -- headache, blue vision, stuffy nose -- are not an issue. Some take aspirin with Viagra to stave off the headache.

''The biggest side effect is the pinch in the wallet, especially if (the pill) doesn't work,'' said Karen Brash McGreer, a sex therapist and Greg McGreer's wife.

What surprises many patients is the fact they don't get a guaranteed erection with Viagra and that getting an erection may take some time. ''If I'm tired, it will not have the same effect. It just won't work,'' Greg McGreer said.

Unplanned sex disappears with Viagra, since its effects only last so long and are not instantaneous. But doctors and patients disagree how much that matters. The McGreers say they turn to Caverject, a pen-like device containing a tiny needle that injects medication into the penis and which provides an almost-instant erection, if they don't feel like planning ahead for sex.

"Spontaneity is kind of a myth, anyhow. That goes out the window in your mid-30s. People have pretty tight schedules,'' said Dr. Andrew McCullough, director of male sexual health and fertility at the New York University Medical Center.

The biggest surprise may be complete failure. Sometimes the problem is as simple as stage fright.

''There were people in the clinical trial who had to try the pill three or four times before they overcame the hump of performance anxiety and are getting better erections now,'' said Eid.

Doctors have a few advance clues on who might become a Viagra failure. Smokers do not do as well, nor men with severe, uncontrolled diabetes. Men who had prostate surgery that damaged the nerve that controls blood supply to the penis may not have luck with Viagra, nor older men on multiple medications with multiple health problems.

Then there are the men who should never try Viagra: those with heart conditions or taking drugs containing nitrates (combining Viagra with nitrates can send the blood pressure plummeting dangerously).

For all those men, ''the honeymoon with Viagra is over,'' said Nina Ferrari, a spokeswoman for Vivus , the company that makes MUSE, a urethral suppository that was the market leader before Viagra came along. ''We know people are coming in and asking, 'What else is there?'''

Viagra decimated the market share of its competitors, but the competition is grateful for one thing.

''There was a market that was fairly untapped -- there are three times as many prescriptions (for Caverject) being written today than a year ago. There is a very big expansion in the entire market,'' said Kristen Elliott, spokeswoman for Pharmacia & Upjohn, maker of Caverject. ''Viagra can take credit for that.''

Doctors are pleased to have so many options to offer men with erectile dysfunction, compared to what they had a few years ago. What a patient chooses may depend on what his doctor is comfortable with. Guay likes MUSE; Eid promotes Caverject.

The choice may also depend on how the doctor makes the pitch or the patient's past experience with erectile dysfunction treatments.

''If you take a patient on penile injection therapy and change him to Viagra, he tries it, and says he likes the penile injection better. It gives him an erection regardless of the situation,'' said Eid.

''Take a patient who has never taken anything and has failed on Viagra and offer him the injection, he's horrified.''



To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/17/1999 8:43:00 AM
From: BigKNY3  Respond to of 9523
 
Viagra displacing Prozac in pop culture
ELIZABETH NEUS

03/15/99
Gannett News Service
FINAL

Without President Clinton and Viagra , comedians would have been bereft of material last year.

London theater critics -- without explanation -- can call Nicole Kidman's onstage performance ''pure theatrical Viagra ,'' and everyone understands.

TV shows from ''NYPD Blue'' to ''ER'' to a notorious episode of ''Mad About You'' -- just about every major show on television short of ''Rugrats,'' basically -- has made Viagra key to the plot or at least given it a mention.

This used to be a Prozac nation; now it's a big blue Viagra world.

''It's as true about Viagra as it is about Monica -- anything in the headlines is going to be fodder. That's America,'' said Dr. John Mulhall, director of the Center for Male Sexual Health at Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill.

Pfizer, Inc., makers of Viagra , claims the company had no idea it was creating a cultural icon as well as a treatment for impotence. Officials there had hoped only that men would become more willing to discuss the topic of erectile dysfunction -- the term doctors use -- and seek treatment.

''We wondered if it would become a discussion topic on talk shows,'' said company spokeswoman Mariann Caprino -- and in fact, it was on CNN's ''Larry King Live'' that Bob Dole announced to the world that he had used the new drug and loved it.

''Overnight, there was dialogue on this condition, and that's good,'' Caprino said.

That depends, of course, on the definition of ''dialogue.'' For example, when three American scientists won the Nobel Prize for medicine in October for discoveries that led to the development of Viagra , Jay Leno cracked, ''Hope they don't get swelled heads.''

The ''Mad About You'' episode, which reportedly annoyed Pfizer, featured the lead male character wandering around New York painfully tumescent and searching for his wife after taking a Viagra -like pill.

Celebrities of advanced age were irresistible targets: David Letterman said that if Bob Dole were president, Viagra would be served at all state dinners. When Tony Randall, 78, became a father, Letterman's comment was: '' Viagra , shmiagra, everything's in working order, Pepe.''

Some of the joking may stem from simple discomfort.

''The 25- to 45-year-old age group never wanted to deal with the fact that their parents were having sex. Now our attitude about the life span of a sex life has dramatically increased -- suddenly, sex didn't go away,'' said Greg McGreer, a Philadelphia-area psychotherapist who specializes in sexual dysfunction.

He does not care for the tenor of much of the Viagra discussion. ''We kind of snicker and laugh at this, like we're all a bunch of 10- or 12-year-olds. We are the most sexually immature culture you can find.''

Viagra also was introduced during a scorching presidential sex scandal: By the time the drug came on the market, Americans had been immersed in two months' worth of round-the-clock talk about oral sex and stained dresses.

''I think it's unfortunate that ( Viagra ) happened at a time when the president was having problems with his own sexuality. You got tired of it. You didn't want to hear about sex anymore,'' said Dr. Andrew McCullough, director of male sexual health and fertility at the New York University Medical Center.

Karen Brash McGreer, McGreer's wife and a sex counselor, believes much of the wink-nudge-heh-heh quality to the national discussion comes from lack of knowledge about sex. ''People do not know how to talk about sex in a respectful way,'' she said.

''It hits at so many aspects of our culture,'' Greg McGreer said. ''What's taken place in the last year has taken something that's not very well lit and shined a brighter light on it. Kids are asking their parents (sex-related) questions right out of the news, and that got embarrassing for people.''

Pfizer -- publicly, at least -- doesn't care what people say about Viagra as long as they get their facts straight.

''I haven't watched TV in a year,'' Caprino said. ''We have been working with ( Viagra ) for years. Talking about erections is so routine for us that we've become desensitized to that kind of thing.''



To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/17/1999 8:45:00 AM
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Viagra receives worldwide support
ELIZABETH NEUS

03/15/99
Gannett News Service

The splash that Viagra made in the United States created a worldwide ripple effect that turned into a tidal wave of sales.

More than 70 countries -- including even Iraq -- have approved use of Viagra since the drug became available in the United States last March, and Pfizer Inc. expects worldwide approval by the end of 2000.

The sole exception will be India, the second-largest country with a population of 960 million. Pfizer does not plan to introduce Viagra there, because the company believes Indian patent protection laws aren't tough enough.

''We won't compete with a low-price generic,'' said Pfizer spokeswoman Mariann Caprino.

International sales account for 13 percent of Viagra 's total 1998 sales -- $105 million out of $788 million. As they did in the United States, men lined up almost immediately in the countries when the drug was put on the market. Great Britain even limited the number of pills it would pay for through its National Health Service, citing high costs.

But even in countries where Viagra wasn't approved, the drug rolled over existing local remedies, thrived in black markets and lured thousands to the United States to buy it legally.

Countless Japanese men flew to Hawaii to procure a prescription, and some even came on special package tours that included prearranged appointments with doctors. A Japanese man was among the earliest of the Viagra -related deaths.

Before the drug was approved in Taiwan, black-market sales outpaced those of traditional, ancient impotence remedies such as Big Hero Pill and Essence of Tyrant.

Traditional practitioners claimed their secret formulas still were better than Viagra , ''but if they're so powerful and convenient, then why all the interest in Viagra ?'' Taiwanese urologist Chen Kuang-kuo said last summer.

Pharmacies along the U.S.-Canadian border reported the bulk of their Viagra sales were to Canadians, who had no access at home to the drug until it was approved March 9. In some stores, Canadians account for 75 percent to 80 percent of Viagra sales, and they drive hundreds of miles for their medicine. They pay for it themselves.

''I can't recall a prescription for a local person in quite some time, but the other day I filled three in a row for people from Canada,'' said Dexter Spaulding, a pharmacist at Swanton Rexall Drugs in Swanton, Vt., six miles from the Canadian border.

Although the family-owned pharmacy and other border stores could lose sales now that Canada has approved Viagra , ''I'm kind of hoping they will,'' Spaulding said. ''It's a long drive for people. We aren't greedy.''

Approval of the drug doesn't necessarily end any furor. In Japan, where Viagra was approved in January, women are livid over the fact that it sailed through the Health Ministry in six months, while the pill had languished in the approval process for nine years. The birth control pill may make it onto the Japanese market this summer.

In Hong Kong, where Viagra was approved in early February, police are arresting people for selling it without a prescription and for inflated prices.

Men in Singapore may be hit with a double financial whammy. Not only do insurance companies there not cover Viagra itself, but some also are arguing they may not even cover treatment for any adverse effects drug. If they die after using Viagra , however, their life insurance still will pay up.

Jordanian doctors and pharmacists in December called for a boycott of U.S. drugs to protest American airstrikes against Iraq but said that the newly approved Viagra would be exempt because it is unique.

Speaking of Iraq, men there may have to wait for their shot at Viagra until international sanctions placed during the gulf war are lifted.

Private companies may import the drug, but the government will not help pay for it because it does not fit into the definition of ''badly needed humanitarian items'' -- the only kind Iraq is permitted to buy under terms of the sanctions.



To: BigKNY3 who wrote (7227)3/17/1999 8:56:00 AM
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A year in the Viagra nation
ELIZABETH NEUS

03/15/99
Gannett News Service
FINAL

The little blue sex pill with the name that conjures a gushing waterfall was an instant sensation when unveiled a year ago.

Viagra even knocked President Clinton's blossoming sex scandal off the front pages and became the punch-line for the pros like Letterman and Leno and the amateurs at your office coffee machine.

The blazing attention given to a drug that helps men overcome impotence should have been no surprise. An estimated 30 million men suffer from what doctors prefer to call ''erectile dysfunction,'' and the omnipresent baby boomers are reaching an age where sexual difficulty is more likely.

But Viagra was the first simple treatment for the problem, one that did not involve injecting or inserting or implanting something into the penis. One pill, combined with a few suggestive thoughts and a willing partner, could bring on an erection in many men who had gone years without one.

''It was the typical American cultural solution -- here's a pill, take a pill, everything will be better,'' said Greg McGreer, a Philadelphia-area psychotherapist who specializes in sexual dysfunction and who takes Viagra himself.

And that pill struck a nerve.

The hype surrounding its launch -- little of it orchestrated by its maker, Pfizer Inc., which did not start a formal advertising campaign until recently -- was bright enough to blind.

''I think we were a little surprised by how quickly it happened,'' said Pfizer spokeswoman Mariann Caprino.

Issues of physical dysfunction became entangled in issues of libido and desire. This would be the start of the sexual revolution for men, as important as The Pill had been for women. Relationships would change in ways we couldn't even imagine.

Actual events triggered by the drug just kept the hysteria rolling. Sales soared to $788 million in just eight months. Bob Dole announced he used Viagra -- and liked the results. People from other countries made special trips to the United States to pick up Viagra . Angry patients sued insurance companies that refused to pay for the budget-busting drug. Fears grew as tales were told of men who had died having sex after taking Viagra .

In some quarters, what happened with Viagra -- insurance problems, dangerous side effects, patients clamoring for prescriptions, media attention -- was seen as something that could have been possible with any major drug launch. Only this was on a far higher plane, and tinted by the link with sex.

''The talk is all about Viagra , but it could be any drug,'' Caprino said. ''It's been held to a different standard. The more people who know about a product, the higher on everyone's radar screens it is, and you're more likely to hear about problems.''

A year later, we've caught our breath.

Now that the novelty of hearing Tom Brokaw say the word ''erection'' on the nightly news has subsided, now that the land-rush mentality has disappeared from urologists' waiting rooms, it is clear Viagra 's impact has been world-wide.

And the major effect is the one that doctors who treat impotence had hoped.

''Now everyone talks about it. People are less embarrassed about having erectile dysfunction. It's wonderful to have a lot of different options to treat these men,'' said Dr. J. Francois Eid, director of the Erectile Dysfunction Unit at the New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center.

Viagra gives men a conversational gambit to broach the delicate subject with busy doctors.

''It's one way to bring it up,'' said Edward Laumann, a Pfizer consultant and University of Chicago sociology professor who recently wrote a major study on the prevalence of sexual dysfunction. ''I think physicians are very poorly trained to take a sexual history. They're very uncomfortable with it. And if you're only going to see somebody for 10 minutes, you don't want to start something like that.''

Doctors wrote more than 7.6 million prescriptions for Viagra in the eight months it was on the market in 1998. Refills began to outpace new prescriptions by September, and the overall number of prescriptions has fallen off, according to IMS Health Inc. which collects prescription data.

While it overwhelmed the market for erectile dysfunction treatments -- a competitor fell from a 95 percent market share to just 2 percent after Viagra -- the pill never sold as well as the hype would have you believe.

The top-selling drug in the last quarter of 1998 actually was Premarin, an estrogen replacement for post-menopausal women. Premarin prescriptions totaled 11.8 million; Viagra accounted for 2.2 million.

Urologists find that more and more of their new cases actually are Viagra failures, and makers of competing treatments report their prescription numbers are rising again as a result. Primary care physicians, who do not have the special training necessary to explain the more complex impotence treatments that work where Viagra doesn't, still can write a prescription.

The deaths put a damper on some of that. Between late March and mid-November 1998, 130 Americans died after being prescribed the drug. Most had risk factors that should have eliminated them as candidates for Viagra use, and they died soon after taking the drug.

Pfizer made the guidelines more clear, and cardiologists' associations also issued strong warnings about who should receive the drugs. Some doctors even suggested that men undergo cardiac stress tests before getting a prescription.

A few doctors tried to eliminate patients based solely on age, but an 80-year-old man capable of playing three sets of tennis a week isn't physically the same as one whose major daily activity is punching the buttons on the TV remote. Many had forgotten that sexual intercourse was exercise.

''When the most stressful thing you do all day is to get out of bed and go to the kitchen table -- it was the sex that killed them, not the Viagra ,'' said Dr. Geoffrey Sklar, a urologist at the University of Maryland Medical Center who was among the original Viagra researchers.

The Food and Drug Administration, which still considers the drug safe enough to stay on the market, no longer reports Viagra -related deaths on its Web site, although the curious can write a letter and ask for updated details. ''It served its purpose,'' said spokeswoman Susan Cruzan.

A handful of those who died had no apparent risk factors, or had coronary artery disease that was discovered only at autopsy. Erectile dysfunction with a physical cause does not come out of nowhere, urologists say, and doctors should check for cardiac problems in men who have trouble maintaining erections.

''We had patients whose only significant problem was impotence,'' said Dr. John Mulhall, director of the Center for Male Sexual Health at Loyola University Medical Center in Maywood, Ill.

''They took a cardiac stress test, and they had abnormal stress tests two times as often as the average population of the same age. Anyone who's graduated medical school in the last 10 years has to have an indication that impotence is a vascular disorder.''

What they also hope people understand is that the restoration of sexual function may not be a quick fix for a broken relationship. Counseling is a major part of treatment for erectile dysfunction; doctors are happiest when both members of a couple show up for an appointment.

''The women are, I hate to say it, much more realistic about this. They can put sex into perspective,'' said Dr. Andre Guay, an endocrinologist and director of the Center for Sexual Function at the Lahey Clinic near Boston.

Although nearly every urologist in the country can moan at will about the wannabe Lotharios that show up in their offices -- the 70-year-old man who left his 61-year-old common-law wife of 10 years so he could play the field is a particularly famous tale -- they also say that most patients act like adults.

''You don't hear about the 55-year-old couple who can't have sex and the pill has done amazing things for them,'' Mulhall said. ''That is the overwhelming majority of my couples.''

''It's not changing relationships, it's not changing people, it's not changing habits, it's just allowing men who couldn't be sexually active to be sexually active,'' said Dr. Andrew McCullough, director of male sexual health and fertility at the New York University Medical Center.

True, the introduction of Viagra may change an individual relationship. A couple may have deluded themselves into thinking their troubles stem from the fact that they cannot have intercourse. They can then be surprised to find -- when intercourse is back in the equation -- to find that the problem is more deep-rooted than just sex.

''We've had some divorces,'' said Guay. For those couples, he said, Viagra ''brought the issue to a head.''

Many myths still need to be overcome. Facts and pseudo-facts about Viagra long have been confused in the American mind.

Doctors regularly try to cool off elderly men who think Viagra will help them rock 'n' roll like a 17-year-old (well, maybe a 37-year-old); men and some women who believe the drug will boost their will to have sex as well as their physical ability -- it doesn't; men with normal sexual function who still believe that Viagra will make them sexual gods (get real).

''You get the weirdos and the macho men and the guys with three girlfriends,'' sighed Guay. ''A lot of (my patients) are very nice, but you've got the minority who want 30 pills a month.''

Some doctors report that the underground market for Viagra does exist, ''like in high school when people were trying dope -- 'Oh, man, it was so good!' ''Eid said, imitating a teen-ager. ''Men are still so immature.''

Despite the general willingness to talk about Viagra and the condition it treats -- Bob Dole's smiling face appears in Pfizer's newspaper and TV ads promoting awareness of sexual dysfunction -- more than a few men still find it mortifying to discuss, and not everyone wants to hear about it.

A recent editorial cartoon, for example, featured Dole brandishing a picture of his wife Elizabeth, who is considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, as two hapless people and threatening, ''Vote for my wife or I'll tell you more about erectile dysfunction!''

Doctors think that craving for privacy on the issue is the reason for the burst of online sales of the drug, a practice currently under investigation by the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy and loudly protested by Pfizer.

''Is it getting easier to talk about? I was walking in Long Island past a T-shirt shop, and (one shirt) said, 'Real men don't need Viagra .' I think there's still a taboo there,'' said McCullough.

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