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To: Roebear who wrote (606)	3/16/1999 6:43:00 PM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

Dear Robert: It has almost become a cliche that in the days of our Lord the big doubt was that Christ could or would forgive sin. This was why the leaders manifested the cross, in those days. However, today, the big doubt is in the willingness and the capacity of Christ to heal. Whole denominations doubt the same manifestations. The explanations center around the , first, absense of Christ, and then second, the absence of the Holy Spirit as documented in the book of Acts. That was then, this is now, is the explanation. But ask any sinner if they recognize that Christ must forgive their sins for them to enter the kingdom and approx 1/2 will say that they do not recognize that specific need and the other 1/2 will recognize the need, acknowledge that the forgiveness is in Christ and then as an after thought they will tell you they want to sow some wild oats first, or when the time is right after they have had all the fun in life they intend, they will make the decision for Christ. But the big hangup, for most Christians is the healing aspect; and I am of the opinion that for most Christians this one aspect of Christian faith presents some very serious hangups. Second to this is whether or not Christ wants us to prosper financially, and third to this is about "suffering" for God's glory. Between the three of these we have millions of pretty messed up in the mind Christians IMHO. In Christ.gregor

To: Roebear who wrote (606)	3/18/1999 12:48:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 638

Gregor, there is no effort here to come against prayer in any way. And there may be much good in trulyl believing that that there will NEVER be any prayer that will not be answered. There just are, and that's fact, and it seems that the Lord does not mind us discussing it, or trying to understand it, as He has told us to ask Him questions and He will give us the answer. Usually, it is always there somewhere in the Bible, clear as can be. Praying may be a form of a game, and like all games, there are very strict rules, and the closer we stay to the rules the more results we see, but again, it is never, never, never of ourselves. It is because we read the manual and did as instructed, maybe? May the Lord bless us richly with His presence. More later.