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To: Angel D who wrote (54262)	3/21/1999 11:48:00 AM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 55532

Nays don't have Elk! We have CariBOO! TG

To: Angel D who wrote (54262)	3/21/1999 12:21:00 PM
From: zonkie	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 55532

You seem to be following in yEllens and soapboxs footsteps, that is, accusing others of your own worst faults in hopes of confusing people. You also exhibit a a great deal of pride, but you have nothing to be proud of. z............

To: Angel D who wrote (54262)	3/21/1999 1:29:00 PM
From: H Peterson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 55532

Angel, I find myself agreeing with you on the following statement although I haven't gained my respect back for you for your behavior with Merf over the Topcat issue on Raging Bull. >> I think you'll find that people tend to avoid, ignore or discredit you if your presentation offends them. It happens in business every day. Why wouldn't it happen here?<< Even if the statement is reality, and does happen in the real world, we probably should have tried to hold back those feelings and at least listened to what the nays were trying to tell us. Looking back, I wish I had. As to the statement that s martin made, >>And like Ellen misses the point that more people heeded the messages than didn't. I count that as a success.<<, I hope he was right. We all have lesson's to learn from this episode. I know I have. The one thing that still bothers me is, regarding "the message" and "the messenger". I have had discussions with Nays in PM over this subject and it is one that seems to arouse great debate. We both seem to see it from our point of view and not quite understand the others view. That is sad, because I think it is the major sticking point on really helping the investor from getting scammed. The nays will say, "Well, if you would have just listened to what we were trying to tell you, you wouldn't have lost all your investment". The Yays will come back with, "But, if you would have just presented it without all your sarcasm, maybe I would have listened". It's a vicious circle, like coming home drunk and arguing with your wife. Nobody wins, but feelings get hurt. I'm not trying to make excuses for either side, just saying sometimes personalities get in the way of logic. Real world, real problems. If I had to do it all over again, I know now which side I would put my trust in. :-) H Peterson