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To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:09:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 1

No Place Like @Home
March 01, 1999
by Chuck Lenatti

Like the cable broadband service it's trying to
build, @Home Network is a work in progress.
Construction continues inside its modern,
officeless headquarters (formerly occupied by
Ampex Corp.) and down the street from
Kenworthy's Carburetor Electric Service in
Redwood City, Calif. New buildings are
sprouting up across Broadway Street in anticipation of even more
growth.

Then there's the merger with larger next-door neighbor Excite Inc.,
which @Home bought in January for about $6.7 billion in stock.
Similar to the twin fountains that separate @Home from Excite, the
buildings are virtually mirror images of each other--at least they won't
have to redecorate.

But @Home's major project is to build its cable-modem service. The
company had hoped to ride the coattails of its cable TV partners, such
as Tele-Communications Inc. (TCI) of Englewood, Colo., and provide
cable subscribers with fast, two-way communications. TCI,
however--which owns a 39 percent stake in @Home--was more
interested in developing digital cable than broadband, and only about 3
percent of TCI's cable plants are two-way. As a result, @Home's
service has been limited to pockets such as Fremont, Calif., Hartford,
Conn., and San Diego--a total of about 330,000 subscribers. Based
on @Home's Jan. 29 stock price of $123 and outstanding shares of
122 million, the cost of providing its service is about $45,000 per
subscriber.

Enter AT&T Corp. Chairman and CEO C. Michael Armstrong, who
in July bet his company's future on broadband cable by purchasing TCI
for about $48 billion. Long- distance giant AT&T sees cable as its
conduit to the local telephone market, which it has been denied access
to by the Regional Bell Operating Companies (RBOCs), and @Home
is a critical component of Armstrong's plan--in fact, it's "strategic and
integral to AT&T's vision," he says.

Before you try to download "Titanic," though, remember that relatively
few cable subscribers can get @Home--not even residents of the
company's Redwood City home. Upgrading the cable infrastructure
will cost billions of dollars and can't be done overnight--even by
AT&T. Then there's the challenge of tying all these fractious cable
systems together. After all, what's the point of having broadband if you
can't send e-mail to Aunt Minnie in Milwaukee? In addition, the
company doesn't offer much in the way of unique content; it primarily
aggregates content from other sites.

Moreover, the competition is heating up. In November, America
Online Inc. (AOL) of Dulles, Va.--which not long ago seemed
destined to partner with @Home--purchased Netscape
Communications Corp. of Mountain View, Calif., for about $4.2
billion. Like @Home, AOL wants to "own" Internet consumers, no
matter how they access the Net. In addition, last October the
telephone companies settled on a digital subscriber line standard,
G.Lite, which may lead to broadband over telephone wires.

Suddenly, after several years of relative obscurity, @Home's feisty
young CEO, Tom Jermoluk (known as "TJ"), has become very busy.
A former resident of Hawaii, Jermoluk is accustomed to big waves,
and they've been coming fast and furious during the past few months.

Jermoluk has been a tireless proponent of cable broadband. Now,
with AT&T, he has a company behind him that's as committed to
@Home's success as he is.



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:11:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 2

No Place Like @Home
page 2: @Home and AT&T

Upside: Why is @Home so important to AT&T?

Jermoluk: We're the central part [of AT&T's plans for broadband
cable]. TCI is known as an analog video distribution company, but
AT&T doesn't need to be in [that] business. They need that wire in the
home that provides the bandwidth for new applications, and we're the
ones who are upgrading the plant, putting in the [proxy servers], the
routers, the switches, all the digital technology. The upgrade we're
[doing] is [what AT&T] needs to do to deliver local telephone
[service]. The routers and the modems to the home are the same for
telephony and data.

Once you do [the upgrade], you provide users
[with] all these combined services; when they
have [these services] in their homes, they can
then get on their televisions and say, "I need a
second phone line for the weekend because I
[have] a guest coming." You [can] get a second
phone line for two days. It's so powerful to tie
[the TV and telephone] together.

Since the merger, it seems you're more directly associated with
AT&T than with TCI. Absolutely. It's kind of like the pig and the
chicken at breakfast: The pig's committed; the chicken's involved.
AT&T is committed. TCI thought this stuff was neat, and we were
going to make them good money. [But] we're the survival of AT&T. If
all this doesn't work, they [have] nowhere to go. I like a partner that's
as committed as I am because I [have] no other place to go, either.

AT&T has been essentially locked out of the local markets, and
I think they see @Home as the way to get to the consumers. The
way back in, that's right. We can turn cable back into a giant switched
phone network, only [with] ultrahigh bandwidth.

Exciting times

How did the Excite merger come about? [Excite CEO] George
[Bell] and I knew each other for a couple of years but never got
serious [about a deal] until two things happened: The TCI-AT&T
merger and [completion of] some deals Excite had with [AT&T's
WorldNet consumer dial-up service, which @Home is negotiating to
acquire]. Obviously we were going to be a big owner [of WorldNet].
[Bell] and I got together, and it turned out that we had much the same
focus. Then when AOL bought Netscape, that threw everybody into
play.

There seemed to be a sense of urgency after AOL's acquisition
of Netscape. Absolutely. When that happened toward the end of
November, suddenly everybody was talking to everybody else. It
changed the landscape. We talked to [Excite] the third week in
December--right before Christmas. It became intense from there. We
narrowed [our choices] to about three [companies] that we went into
detail with. We came out [thinking that], on a technology basis, Excite
was head and shoulders [above the rest]. Their personalization
technology, the way they run their operation, that whole back-end
MatchLogic setup. [MatchLogic Inc. is a subsidiary of Excite. Its
MatchLogic profiling system collects volunteered information about
where users live, their lifestyles and what they like and don't like.] My
engineering and technical guys said, "These guys are just killers."



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:13:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 3

No Place Like @Home
page 3: Excite

Excite was [also] talking to a set of [companies] and had narrowed [its
choices] to three [potential partners]. We were all dancing around one
another. In the end, [Bell] and I were so much on the same wavelength
that we said, "What deal do you want to do here?" Once you admit to
each other, "You're the one," then [you] make a deal happen. It all
happened [quickly].

What does Excite do for your company? First, it's bringing us
subscribers. We don't have a mass-marketing approach, and we
haven't had enough footprint yet to do a national, AOL
carpet-bombing kind of campaign. Excite [has more than] 20 million
[registered] users, and it's growing like a weed; it has [more than] 50
million [daily page views].

Now I [can] go into Excite's database and ask, "Who [are the Excite
users] in Redwood City?" We tell [those users], "We're here." If
they're already Excite [users], you know they can be [converted to]
broadband [users].

Because they're already interested in fast
Internet access. Right. So we think [having
access to Excite's database of users will
significantly cut] the time it takes us to add users.
It will probably cut two to three years off the
time it would have taken us to do our own
marketing and will save us hundreds of millions
of dollars in marketing acquisition costs.

The second part is the advertising piece,
MatchLogic, which keeps profiles on people--whenever they buy
something, respond to an ad, register, anything like that. We have
Narrative [Communications Corp. of Waltham, Mass., which @Home
bought in December in a stock deal estimated at $89 million.
Narrative's Enliven service tracks where users go and what they do
when they visit a Web site. MatchLogic and Enliven] kind of go hand
in glove. Narrative has media-rich advertising right in a banner. Instead
of being a static banner ad, it knows if you [skip] over it. This is a way
for MatchLogic to pick up a large number of profiles.

Now we can go to an advertiser and say, "You can buy advertising on
the Internet [using] a PC or a television. You can buy targeted
advertising."

[For example, say] the television is on Saturday morning. The odds are
that if [it's tuned to] cartoons, the kid in the house [is watching]. If so,
we're going to send a toy advertisement. If the television is tuned to
[the] Fox Sports [channel], we probably want to send a car ad
because we know that if the [viewer is] watching sports, it's [probably]
a guy. And [we know] whether he has previously bought the kind of
[things being advertised] because we're keeping his profile on the
database.

[Excite has] this intelligent database on the back end. We [have] the
proxies out in all the neighborhoods where we can hold the ads. We
[have] the [users' Internet protocol (IP)] addresses, so we know how
to get the ads to the television, and we [have] the database and the
proxy to keep the data coming back [showing] where [the users] went
and what they did.

[Excite has] one piece of the puzzle, and we have the other. Put them
together and you [have a package that] nobody else has. It's worth
[about] 10 times what [the pieces] would have been worth
[separately].



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:14:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 4

No Place Like @Home
page 4: Data Mining

You've taken the Internet metaphor and transformed it into a
different medium. Exactly. It's not about sitting in front of a television
with a keyboard and surfing the Web. It's about using the IP
technology, the Internet technology to transform media [into] the way
people deal with it today.

We know from our pay-per-view people that if [consumers] can buy a
movie by clicking a button on the remote control instead of dialing a
[toll-free] number, they're four times more likely to buy that movie. So
now I can go to the advertiser and say, "I can prove [that people] are
four times more likely to buy your product if you advertise with us on
this interactive system. And, if they click that button and buy [the
product], I'll do the billing for you; I have their credit card numbers in
my database and [can] bill e-commerce [from] there." The [advertiser
doesn't] have to do anything. How much would an advertiser pay for
that? [This process] uses our client on the television, our provisioning
of IP systems, our proxy to store the ads and keep the database, and
MatchLogic to do the targeting. [These are] pieces we built for this
Internet product, but [they're] not being used for Web surfing. It's a
new kind of medium.

And you accumulate data and build a profile
over time. Exactly. And it [keeps improving].
You start correlating things. [For example, you
might learn that] people who like pizza tend to
watch [certain] kinds of movies. The data refines
itself, and it's real data. It's not Nielsen [Media
Research Inc.]--take a guess or fill out a
form--it's the real stuff, and the database keeps
growing, becoming more and more correlated.

How careful do you have to be about not giving viewers the
impression that they're being spied upon? That's huge. Anytime
you go after [personal information], you need to be up on the privacy
thing. Excite is one of the founding and charter members of the
consumer-privacy initiative, so they have a commitment.

[Excite has also] done a good job of gradually getting people more
personalized [into its system. The information is gathered] incrementally
as they learn more about you. You get your portfolio, horoscope and
weather--it's kind of tailored around you. The service should be a
one-on-one experience, not one-on-many.

We can [also] integrate AT&T's communications technologies [with
Excite's communications technologies]--things such as voice-to-e-mail,
e-mail-to-fax, fax-to-voice, chat-room phone hook-up and phone
hook-up. It's fortunate [for us] that Excite didn't have a partner in that
sort of thing. [The circumstances are] just right for us to come in and
take advantage of the AT&T brand. And we bring [AT&T]
"stickiness," because there's no stickiness in a long-distance number--if
you switch providers, what does it matter? [But] once you [have] this
combination of [offerings], it becomes powerful.

[You can get] a bill that has long-distance, wireless and Internet access
[charges] on it, and when AT&T does local phone through cable, [the
bill will include] local phone [charges]. What if we put your
e-commerce transactions on that bill, too? Instead of receiving five
[separate] bills for wireless, long-distance, local phone, Internet access
and [e-commerce], you'll get one [bill with everything on it].

[Consumers can then] log into one system to check the status of their
bills, and [they'll be able to] see all their charges at once in real time.
Bill presentment, and the convenience of the choices that brings for
users, will be a big deal for us. We can do that with AT&T; we can do
it with the cable companies.



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:16:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 5

No Place Like @Home
page 5: Going national

How are you going to expand your 330,000 subscriber base to
being truly national? We'll create a funnel, and Excite will be the
front end of that funnel because they're ubiquitous. Excite will be our
outward basic brand. Then we'll use the tie-in with AT&T and
WorldNet. Wherever we go with Excite, we'll start trying to pull
people in. We'll create a marketing program around [the idea that it's]
good not only to be an Excite registered user, but [also] an Excite
subscriber. Wherever we don't have cable footprint yet, we'll say, "We
can fulfill you as a subscriber with WorldNet. We'll give you a
narrowband connection, and then the minute we come to town, we'll
upgrade you to broadband." [We'll] spend every dollar we can building
the Excite consumer brand.

We and our cable partners will leverage our connections and [keep]
growing with Excite. We [have] 70 million AT&T long-distance
customers. We have 70 million cable customers out there. And we're
going to leverage those relationships and market the hell out of [those
customers].

How long will it take you to get that broadband network up? We
ended [1998] with [access to] 13 million homes, which is good,
considering where we came from. Our goal [this year] is 23 million. I
think we'll blow that away. AT&T recently announced [that it plans to
spend an additional] $2 billion to upgrade TCI and [its] affiliate [plants]
this year.

That's a big deal because only 3 percent of TCI's plants are
two-way. They were the laggard, and that's why it's good having
AT&T come in.

What's the compelling argument for Joe Six-pack TV user to
buy into broadband cable? There [are] two different strategies: [one
for PC users and one for cable TV]. Our broadband subscriber story
closely to Internet and PC penetration. As that market grows,
it's building our market because all those users will become disgusted
with the speed at which [their Internet connection] runs. I have almost
unlimited ability to [increase] that market share.

The television I look at differently. I [don't] believe in Web surfing on
TVs. I don't think people are interested in typing on keyboards and
leaning forward and trying to interact with their televisions. I believe in
one-button, one-click interactivity on the television set: See an ad, one
click, buy the product, or [with] one click, go to another. Or, say
you're watching CNN election news, and they start [announcing the
results from] Georgia. You can say, "I want to see [the results from]
California." You click a button and bring [them] up. It's interactive TV.
I almost hate to say that because five to 10 years ago, people had a
bad taste in their mouths [about interactive TV].

People have been talking about interactive TV for decades. But
it's here now. We're going to be able to do this. One-click interactivity.
People channel-surf today; it's nothing more than that. [Now] you'll
have a choice, and that's going to be killer, and [the whole thing will]
be funded by advertising.

Our best estimates are [that] in the year 2000, $288 billion will be
spent on television advertising. Today, the advertising [money] spent
on the Web [is about] $2 billion. During the next two years, how much
of that $288 billion do you think could shift into supporting interactive
TV? [That could be] a dramatic shift.



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:17:00 AM
From: wang  Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part 6

No Place Like @Home
page 6: DOCSIS

How important are the new DOCSIS (data over cable service
interface specification) settop modems going to be? They're super
important because with [the DOCSIS] modems, we don't have any
user-installation problems. The software knows how to register itself.
You just turn on [the modem].

Having to roll trucks for installation has been a hang-up. That's
right. It's hard because human labor doesn't scale. So, putting that
DOCSIS modem in the standard settop box is an important step. The
cable company pays for it because it provides digital TV, [which]
carries the cost of the box, so the consumer doesn't have to pay.

[Second, it's] completely user-installable. Take it home, plug your
cable into it, you're done. [No need for] trucks to roll. [Third], you can
start [customers] off at any level of

service; they don't have to be subscribers. You can start targeting them
with ads [or move them into a higher level of service such as]
interactive-travel channels. Then you can make them subscribers. You
[have] this almost seamless way of [getting] to them, so it's a different
model [from today's] personal computer model.

What changes do you anticipate in the charges for receiving the
service? Now it's about $300 for the box, there's an installation
fee, and it costs about $40 a month for the service. My guess is
[that] there will be no installation fee--you'll get it [free] because you're
going to subscribe to digital cable, where you get 150 channels instead
of 50. No instal-lation charges, no monthly subscription charges--it will
be supported [mainly] by advertising and commerce.

Strategy

It seems as if the battle lines are drawn:
AOL-Netscape-RBOCs on one side, AT&T-@Home-Excite on
the other. [Companies] are picking their big partners [based on] the
Internet. [And some] people talk about the bubble bursting one day,
[but] that's the wrong analogy because it implies that [the Internet will]
go away. The right analogy is that [the Net is like] waves breaking:
Eventually the wave will top out and crest over, but another one will be
right behind it. So, you'd better figure out what your strength is [and]
who your partners are because [the Internet is] here to stay, and you
[have] to team up.

Traditionally, [there have been] two ways to get the consumers: cable
companies and phone companies. You [have] to pick [and then] be
willing to commit, otherwise nothing will get done. The reason nothing
has been getting done on the phone side is [that] they're not committed.

And they don't want to cannibalize their subscribers. Yeah, T1
subscribers, because they're getting $1,000 a month for that.

It seems that a lot more alignment is going to happen. Where
are you going, and strategically how are you thinking? We see
further alignment with AT&T. There's a lot [of] benefit from tying
together narrowband and broadband so that you can move people
seamlessly in this funnel. There's also a lot of benefit from additional
communications services. People have a desire to reach out and touch,
and that's why [you have] everything from chat rooms to phone calls to
e-mail to whatever--they're all different forms of communication. If
[AT&T has] one strength, it's having a great brand for communication.
I think there's more leverage we [can] get there.

Longer term, I think the old-media [companies will have] to start
[lining] up--the broadcast networks, Time Warner [Inc. of New York]
and Sony [Corp. of Tokyo]. They [need to] find ways to get their
content out there and adapt. Probably in 1999, we'll be figuring out
relationships with the true content providers. We tend to call
everybody content [providers], but the truth is that most [companies]
are [portals and aggregators]. The real content [providers] are the
old-line companies.

It seems to me that Time Warner would be a natural partner for
@Home. One would hope! The rumor is that they're close to funding
their telephony deal with AT&T. [On Feb. 1, AT&T announced a joint
venture with Time Warner to offer cable telephony through Time
Warner's cable lines across 33 states.] That makes it easier for us to
get together on [the] data side. I think that's a natural step. We don't
compete with each other. There's so much we have to offer each other.
They have true content in [their] Time and Warner properties, and we
have this great technology [for] distributing it



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 7:19:00 AM
From: wang  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 29970
 
Interview with Tom Jermoluk: part7

No Place Like @Home
page 7: Scammers

You've had problems with people hogging bandwidth. Is that
something you can fix? Yeah. The benefit of running your own
network is [that] you have the knob to turn. What happened in
Fremont [had to do] with a group [that was transmitting] animal porn,
child porn and all [that] kind of crap. These people were setting up
servers in their homes, downloading and updating this stuff 24 hours a
day and serving it out of their homes to other people [using our
service]. Then we found there were 12 people running MP3 music
servers out of their homes with our service. [MP3 is a standard for
compressing digitized music for downloading via the Internet.]

There's no way that for $40 a month we can give people the kind of
bandwidth [to run] commercial businesses [from] their homes, so we
put in controls to stop that. But then [people] called their local
newspapers and city councils and [said], "The cable guys are being
bad." The city council [members] don't understand the technologies,
they just think, "The cable guys are acting bad again."

So how do you fight scammers? The first time you try to shut them off,
they either sue you or scream [about] freedom of speech.

Orlando experience

What went wrong with the Orlando Time Warner broadband
cable trial? (Between 1994 and 1997, Time Warner offered an
experimental interactive-TV service called Full Service
Network to 4,000 homes in Orlando; the company pulled the
plug because the program was costing it too much money.) What
did you learn from that experience? As a technology experiment, it
was great. As a consumer experience, the problem was that the Full
Service Network [program] was done before the Web took off, and
we didn't have an API--no way for people to get us applications or
content because there wasn't a Web yet. As a result, any time you
wanted to get an application to order pizza or postage stamps, for
example, you had to find some company to build something. Of
course, these [companies all said], "You [only have] 4,000 homes.
Why should we build this? You'll [have] to pay us a lot of money." So,
we never got the breadth of content we needed to make the Full
Service Network commercially deployable.

It was a little ahead of its time. It was. [The Web] standardized the
interface, much like what happened [with] PCs. The lesson I took
[from] that is that no matter what, use the Web. Don't invent anything
proprietary for broadband. Use the Web API. Run a standard client, a
standard server interface, [and] let 100 percent of the content on.
Don't try [to create] your own content.

I think the Achilles' heel of AOL is that they're running a proprietary
client and a proprietary content interface, so the only things they
[display come from companies that] are playing ball with them.
Consumers want choice--to be able to go anywhere and see anything.
I think that will be [AOL's] downfall. They've recognized [the problem
and have] bought Netscape, [and] they're going to try to figure out
how to move into a standard Web environment. That will be hard
because it's not their culture.

For a long time, it appeared that you were on the verge of doing
something serious with AOL. How did that get off track, and is
that bridge irrevocably damaged? I don't think [the damage is]
irrevocable. Certainly, [AOL's] decision to fight us in the regulatory
arena pissed off a lot of people.

AOL is demanding access to your network. Yeah. If that's the way
they want to go, then it's kind of like, "[OK, it's] flamethrowers at 40
feet." I kept saying, "We're ready to do a deal." The problem was
[that] they never wavered. Their deal was simple: "You guys be a
dumb pipe. We own the subscribers, and we own the content." You
know what? That doesn't work anymore! If you want to share the
subscribers, I'm all ears. If you want to share the content, I'm all ears.
But don't cut me out of the equation. What, do you think I'm stupid?

I tried one deal after another, and [AOL always] came back with the
same deal. I finally said, "Forget it." [Then] they [went] to the
regulatory thing. And they lost. They didn't stop the [AT&T-TCI]
merger. Now what do you want to do? Fight another two or three
years? Slog it out in Congress? Or do you want to [make] a damn
deal? I'm ready to listen, but they [have] to get off the "dumb transport"
thing.



To: Robert Scott who wrote (6949)3/27/1999 12:35:00 PM
From: ahhaha  Respond to of 29970
 
You're close, but not close enough for Monica's cigar. I'm putting together words to entertain myself because there is no real content or meaning coming from most this thread's posters.