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To: fred whitridge who wrote (3480)4/2/1999 9:35:00 AM
From: Don Devlin  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 8393
 
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dreams)

EV&AE(GM's Opel FCEV, Icelandic consortium FCbus, fully charged FCEV
dreams)

FCEV - Newcastle Herald (NEHR) Motoring Fuel-cell Cars 'the Future'
02/27/99 Copyright of John Fairfax Group Pty Ltd

GERMAN car maker Opel predicts fuel cells will be the power units of
the future. The General Motors subsidiary is already predicting that,
in Europe at least, 10% of new cars will be fitted with fuel cells.

Opel is already developing a fuel-cell car for the compact class which
it says will be commercially viable by 2004. It is also expected to
have performance compatibility with comparable internal combustion
engines.

But if the fuel-cell cars can match their four-stroke counterparts on
price and performance they leave them for dead when it comes to air
pollution levels.

Carbon dioxide emissions are reportedly halved and oxides of nitrogen
and sulphur dioxidelevels are said to be so low they are almost
non-existent.

The principle of the fuel cell is simple: methanol fuel is converted
to hydrogen which in turn is converted into electricity to drive an
electric motor. A wide range of fuels can be used. Exxon/Esso obtains
methanol from natural gas but modified petrol with a low carbon
content and synthetic fuels are also suitable.

Initially, fuel-cell cars will resemble the internal
combustion-engined vehicles on which they are based but as the
technology becomes more widespread styling will change.
Miniaturisation, plus the fact that individual system components can
be moved away from each other, means different designs, as well as
all-wheel drive configurations, will be used.
...



To: fred whitridge who wrote (3480)4/2/1999 1:08:00 PM
From: Michael Latas  Respond to of 8393
 
Fred, here are a couple of interesting articles shedding some much needed new light on fuel cell technology.

First, is an article in Automotive News from Mar 8, as follows:

"Detroit - Denso Int'l says it is working to develop fuel cell
technology with a major OEM customer. But the Japanese supplier believes the industry is still so far away from putting fuel cells on the market that it is devoting its primary research and development to improving gasoline-powered internal combustion engines.

"Fuel cell is like any other technology in that it will become viable only when the cost comes down to acceptable levels" said Sujit Jain, dir. of engine mgm't systems and components for Denso Int'l America, Inc. in Southfield Mich. " The question is when will the cost-benefit ratio equal that of traditional internal combustion technology, and I
don't see that happening for a very long time.

He made this statement to the SAE Int'l Congress and Exposition last week.

Denso is a key global supplier, particularly for Toyota Motor Corp.
Honda Motor Co. Ltd. and Daimler-Chrysler AG in North America. All three of those companies are pursuing fuel-cell technology in-house.

(Skipping along)

"We are years from reaching the stage of fuel-cell technology", Jain said. "That's why our focus will remain on improvements to internal combustion technology...

End

The next article gets even better and sounds like your reference in the NY Times as follows:

(Important excerpts only from this lengthy article in A/N of March 29)

FUEL CELLS STILL POSE THORNY PROBLEMS: Fuel cells are still years away from widespread use by the auto industry. Standing in their path are high costs and the problems of a complex technology. Together, these forces ensure large numbers of fuel-cell powered vehicles will not hit showrooms for a decade or more.

Daimler-Chrysler officials admit the vehicle is overweight by more than 600 pounds, and astronomically expensive. A mass produced fuel-cell system would cost $30,000 using todays technology, says DaimlerChrysler, although Necar 4's hand-built unit is estimated to cost $350,000.

Gasoline engines typically cost $3,000.

Specialized hardware is what drives the fuel cell's costs.

(Skipping)

The fuel cell also needs time to warm the catalysts to operating temperatures, necessitating a bulky on-board battery pack to provide power in the interim.

(Skip)
(Another major problem they have)
"The problem, says Panik, is that "methanol is getting through the membrane, so the hydrocarbon emissions are still too high."

That pretty well sums up the latest (Or, lack, thereof) developments in fuel cell technology.

Regards.



To: fred whitridge who wrote (3480)4/2/1999 1:20:00 PM
From: Krowbar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 8393
 
Fred, I was being a bit facetious when I asked if there was a huge lot full of unsold EV1s in response to GM's claim that the public wasn't interested in them. I think that it is more likely that GM isn't interested in selling them.

Del



To: fred whitridge who wrote (3480)4/5/1999 8:23:00 AM
From: fred whitridge  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 8393
 
Here's the article on Fuel Cells from last Friday's NYTimes. I guess they want us paper subscribers to get the jump on you electronic edition readers. Remember a fuel cell needs batteries for startup, for regen braking, and for acceleration spikes. Remember, they may need hydride storage of hydrogen.....

AUTOS ON FRIDAY / TECHNOLOGY

Promise, and Pitfalls, of Fuel Cells

By MICHELLE KREBS

UEL cells, devices that produce electricity from hydrogen with only
water as a byproduct, are emerging as the auto industry's darling
technology of the future -- the most promising alternative to the
internal-combustion engine. Manufacturers are racing to become the first
to put such a vehicle on the market.

Fuel cells combine hydrogen with oxygen in an electrochemical reaction
that generates electricity; the hydrogen can be carried in tanks or
converted from methanol or gasoline. The cells have been used in
aerospace since the 1960's, but only in the last decade have they been
considered an alternative to a car's internal-combustion engine. Now,
most of the world's leading auto manufacturers have fuel cell vehicles in
the works. Some promise to have such a vehicle on the market within
five years.

So far, DaimlerChrysler A.G. appears to be in the lead. The company
has invested on the order of $1.4 billion in fuel cell research in the last
five years -- both Daimler-Benz and Chrysler were pursuing different
strategies before they merged, and they had demonstrated several
fuel-cell prototypes. Last month in Washington, DaimlerChrysler took
the wraps off Necar 4, an A-Class subcompact equipped with fuel cells.

The fourth Daimler-based fuel-cell vehicle to be shown publicly, Necar
4 -- for "new electric car" -- represented significant breakthroughs. Its
storage tanks for liquid hydrogen fuel, akin to the vacuum bottles one
might use to take soup on a picnic, are inconspicuously stored beneath
the floor, as are the stacks of cells. The cargo area remains clear for
luggage. The tanks and fuel cells for previous Necars, the first of them
shown in 1994, consumed so much space that they had to be loaded into
a full-size van, leaving little room for people and none for cargo.

The driving range of Necar 4 has been extended to 280 miles from 148
miles for Necar 2; few electric cars can go more than 150 miles on a
charge. Acceleration and top speed increased to 90 miles an hour from
only 68 m.p.h. for Necar 2.

DaimlerChrysler insists that it will offer fuel cell vehicles for sale in 2004
-- perhaps as many as 100,000 a year. The company already has
fuel-cell buses operating in Los Angeles, Chicago and Vancouver,
British Colombia. Vancouver is the hometown of Ballard Power
Systems, a fuel-cell manufacturer partly owned by the auto maker.

Likewise, the Ford Motor Company, which also owns a piece of
Ballard, says it will have a fuel-cell car on the market at about the same
time as DaimlerChrysler. Ford showed its P2000 prototype, with the
body of a Ford Contour, at the Detroit auto show in January.

The General Motors Corporation asserts that it will have a
production-ready fuel-cell car by 2004. Opel, G.M.'s European unit,
displayed a fuel-cell minivan in October.

Honda, Toyota and Nissan also have fuel cell cars in the works. In
Germany, BMW plans next year to have a small fleet of large 7-Series
sedans equipped with an internal-combustion engine as well as a fuel
cell that would power accessories.

Despite their promise, fuel cells still pose big hurdles, and they are likely
to be confined to commercial fleets, at least initially. Cost is crucial.
DaimlerChrysler executives estimate that fuel cells remain 10 times too
expensive; the cells for an average-size car cost about $30,000,
compared with only $3,000 for a conventional engine. Still, that is much
improved. Only five years ago, fuel cells were at least 50 times more
expensive than they are today.

Though they have become more efficient and much smaller, fuel cells and
fuel storage tanks remain heavy and bulky. DaimlerChrysler engineers
figure that the cars need to shed at least 600 pounds. The small Necar 4
shown in Washington weighed a whopping 3,800 pounds. As a result,
acceleration is sluggish; the car requires 6.5 seconds to reach 35 m.p.h.

The greatest challenge, however, is the lack of an infrastructure for
producing, storing and distributing hydrogen. The fuel is available in
almost infinite quantities, but had to be stored in liquid form on the Necar
4 at about 430 degrees below zero. Only one public filling station for
liquefied and gaseous hydrogen exists -- at the airport in Munich,
Germany.

The lack of infrastructure has led automakers to consider using more
common fuels, particularly methanol, to produce hydrogen through the
use of an on-board reformer. But a reformer adds even more weight,
takes precious space and adds another 25 percent to the cost.

There is research into the use of methane without a reformer, although
methane can contaminate the fuel cells. Before its merger, Chrysler
considered the novel approach of producing hydrogen on-board using
gasoline. Though development continues on that idea, DaimlerChrysler
has been unable to make it work; the target date for such a technology
has been put off until 2010.