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To: nuke44 who wrote (1502)	4/4/1999 5:49:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 17770

>It would not be the first Albanian family in my neighborhood, or the first Serbian, or Nigerian, Mexican, Rwandan, Vietnamese, or Russian for that matter. If you don't count my Irish wife, I'm the only native speaker of English on my street. Wow, sounds like a UN protectorate there...But, seriously, that is nice and admired. The issue is jobs. If they have decent jobs the Albanians will do just fine and progress because they are hard working. If they have no jobs lined up I would move out of the neighborhood. If they take jobs away from locals there would be backlash. >Having said that, I do believe that the Serbs under Slobodan Milosevic have gone far beyond the pale in their seemingly insatiable blood lust for killing their ethnic enemies. You are missing the point. Balkans is a very rough neighborhood where all sides do hsitty stuff to each other. But please do not single out the Serbs only, it is grossly unfair. >Just because Clinton is a liar and quite possibly a traitor, doesn't make it wrong for us to do what is right in the Balkans. Let's recap what US is doing in this war: First, there was no UN resolution to anything so it was conveniently sidestepped this time and NATO came abord. Second, a purely defensive alliance committed to defend its members when attacked, attacks a sovereign country for handling an internal problem (unprecedented and a grave precedent set) Third, the stated goal was to help the refugees. Well there is a huge humanitarian problem happening right now which of course the Nato planners were totally unprepared for. Remember, before bombs started falling all these people at least had a roof under their heads. So first goal of nato is a complete failure. Fourth, the second stated goal of nato was to degrade the Serb military's operations so they stop the "ethnic cleansing" in Kosovo. Well I do not think how by bombing Belgrade and a few govt buildings and factories and bridges degrades the Serb forces the ground in Kosovo. Anyway, they are almost done finishing off the KLA. So this goal is failing short of ground troops but by the time they come in this point will be mute. Fifth, the third stated goal of nato was to convince milosevic to abide by the Rambauillet agreement. Well this goal is a complete failure too because that was not a peace agreement but a capitulation of the partition of a sovereign country despite all the crap that is spewed out of the official liars...I mean spokesmen. Meanwhile, we are pissing off the Russians, the Chinese and Indians (you see a pattern here, all of these countries have nukes AND minorities within their borders) big time. We may just casue some other lunatic to take over in Russia because they see clearly the writing on the wall that "defensive" nato is about to encircle them. All along the Serbs will hate us for centuries to come. Now the Nato members (especially Greece and Italy and soon Germany) are having second thoughts about this whole thing because their voting public is AGAINST it and could well live with a flood of Albanian refugees in their countries with an avg unemployment rate of at least 10%! All thinking people around the world are now wondering which is really the evil empire here? Moreover, we are seeing the scrambling of the leadership here to react to events...I am afraid that the blunders have been so monumental and the engagement has progressed at an advanced point that pulling out without "winning" this war is extremely difficult at this point, especially when u see all those bozo experts on TV supporting an invasion (like this McCain senator...). A complete mess that the whiz kid, if he gets out of this, he 'll be rebembered as the sleekiest politician ever!

To: nuke44 who wrote (1502)	4/4/1999 7:05:00 PM
From: Michael Sphar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

<< Don't make the mistake that I am a supporter of Clinton. I ended my military career early rather than serve under the gutless, self-serving sonofabitch. His position as Commander in Chief, with command over US military forces, has been a travesty and an abuse of those who serve in our nation's military, not to mention a grave disservice to our entire nation. >> Congratulations to you! I too retired from my Reserve position after Bush's electoral defeat rather than trust my future career in his successor's hands, passing on what looked like a relatively easy four year stint to an O6 retirement. In retrospect I am still pleased having a former military officer's signature on my retirement orders.