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To: Machaon who wrote (2379)	4/7/1999 10:09:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 17770

"Another awful situation. I agree with you about the US bungling this one by arming the Taliban. The Taliban are a perfect example of "should be" inmates in a mental institution taking over a country." Our aid to the terrorist KLA will help establish a "Taliban" Moslem terrorist army in Europe. The first objective is Serbian Kosovo, then Macedonia and then Greece. Many of the fleeing Kosovar Albanians are pawns in this Moslem invasion, but many are also willing participants and aids to the terrorist Moslem guerillas who have been killing innocent Christian Serbs for many years to cleanse Kosovo of Christian Serbs. If the US wants to stop a legitimate Ethnic cleansing and aggression against innocent people, why not start with the fascist Zionist in Israel who openly flaunt their racist intention of ethnic cleansing of Palestine to make more room for Jews from around the world. The Zionist are openly fascist and flaunt brag about their blueprint to remove all Moslems and Christian Palestinians from Palestine to create an exclusive Jewish State. The LAW OF RETURN is the most racist immigration law in the world. Every Jew in the world is automatically granted dual citizenship when they simply set foot in Palestine. The Zionist openly proclaim their goal of establishing a Jewish state where only "Jews" have full citizenship rights. This fascist regime is supported with approximately 5 billion dollars annually from the US taxpayers. Over the last 50 years, this racist state has received $100, 000,000,000 in US grants or "welfare payments". Without the US grants and military equipment, the Zionist could never have achieve their Ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Why does the US support and finance Ethnic Cleansing by the Jews in Israel but pretends to oppose Ethnic cleansing in other parts of the world? Sadly, the once greatest nation in the world has now become the most hypocritical. Our foreign and domestic policy is no longer for the good of the American majority, but for the good of the behind the scene elite that controls our government. Clinton is but a pornographic pawn who can easily be blackmailed by his shady lifestyle.

To: Machaon who wrote (2379)	4/7/1999 11:42:00 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

The good that NATO does by destroying Serbias war machine will last for many years! As so often, Shakespeare has the right words for this: "The evil that men does lives after them; the good is often interred with their bones." Any good that comes out of this will be short lived. The evil that comes from it will have a long memory and will come back to haunt us years in the future.

To: Machaon who wrote (2379)	4/7/1999 12:02:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

At least you have the intellectual honesty not to even pretend that this bombing was justified as a defensive move by NATO or that Milosovic represented any threat to any NATO country. You and I have a simple difference of philosophy. You believe, if I hear your right, that when there is great evil in the world, the U.S. and/or NATO (you've never mentioned the U.N.) has not only the right but the obligation, whenever possible, to take responsibity for using its military power to obliterate those who create and perpetuate that evil. You believe, I think, that that will make the world a better and safer place for innocent people to live their lives in peace, I believe that even in the face of great evil, the law is the great principle which protects both those who commit evil and the victims of evil. That if we throw away the law when it doesn't serve our interest, we diminish the rights of all people of the world to a safe and secure future by denying them the protection of the laws and teaching evil people that fundamentally we don't believe in the rule of law. While the law cannot and does not prevent all evil, it is still the single bulwark of freedom, and when it is breached in one place, freedom in all places is threatened. I further believe that when we teach the world that we believe it is morally acceptable to attack a soverign nation militarily--to declare war--because we disapprove of the way in which that nation treats its citizens within its borders, we open a dangerous chasm which will engulf not only our present enemy but, quite possibly, ourselves. We will not always be the dominant military force in the world. That is a mistake many nations have made over time, and every nation has been wrong about. (Read "The rise and fall of the great powers. I think that's the exact title.) We will be wrong about it, too. When our power and empire ebb and others flow, we will deeply regret that we established such a principle which other nations can use as justification for their chosen invasions. The short term rewards of this war may be to stop SM and drive him from power. We may even be able to try and imprison or execute him. The long term costs, though, will be a dramatic increase in human misery, the continuation of a six hundred year old conflict as soon as our backs are turned, with a new Slav leader, new determination, and even greater bitterness and hatred, probably reprisals against the U.S. and its citizens, and, most important of all, a more dangerous world to leave to our children. Although I fundamentally disagree with you, I have appreciated your willingness to debate these issues without falling into namecalling or invective. If I have misstated or misunderstood your position, I apologize, and welcome correction. I have honestly tried to represent your position fairly. If I have failed, it is not through ill will or any wish to belittle your beliefs.