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To: Ruyi who wrote (18490)	4/9/1999 8:19:00 PM
From: Dave Cash	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37507

Manipulation? At these volumes and share price? Just who do you think is manipulating this stock? You should know from experience that it's hard to manipulate something this size!

To: Ruyi who wrote (18490)	4/9/1999 8:24:00 PM
From: Crazy Canuck	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 37507

>>MANIPULATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!! << For any of the newer members of this thread, this person has been slamming, then pumping, then slamming, then pumping, then slamming this stock since late last year. Make no mistake about it, right now he is attempting to manipulate you so that he can cover his losses. In my opinion, he is either in deep trouble, and he is getting desperate, or he is being paid to do this. In November of last year, Waldo attempted to warn the readers of the thread about him. Waldo posted a pretty good checklist to follow to identify the tactics that they use. Here is the list . . . To: Dagan (2177 ) From: waldo Saturday, Nov 28 1998 11:21PM ET Reply # of 18494 26 ways to identify a stock slammer: 1. Be anonymous, of course. 2. Use 10% fact and 90% suggestion in one's posts. Facts give credibility, while suggestion does the "sell". 3. Let others "help" you learn about a stock thereby developing rapport and a support base. 4. Use multiple handles, but develop a unique style for each. 5. Use multiple ISPs. 6. Start each new handle slowly to build acceptance. 7. Occasionally, use two handles to "discuss" an issue. 8. Do not show all your cards at once when slamming a stock. It's a war - it's ok to lose a battle as long as you save enough ammo to win the war. 9. Know your enemies - they will end up being your best weapons. 10.Only slam until the tide starts to turn. Let doubt carry the stock back with the tide. 11.Maintain an appearance of being open minded but a slant in either direction is acceptable. 12.Don't appear meek. No one follows the meek. 13.Strike just as your opponent starts to gather momentum but not before or you lose your sting. 14.Don't worry if people peg you for a slammer. The doubt will remain and that's what you are after. 15.If pegged, put up a brief fight, then let them feel they've won. This puts their guard down within a few days and your other handles can take over from there. 16.When slamming a stock, the intent is to minimize its rise, not to create an instant plunge. 17.To slam a stock requires you only to kill the dream not the company. 18.Use questions to invoke critical thinking and use statements to reinforce. 19.You can be liberal in your questions but be specific and precise in your statements. 20.Don't lie. 21.When slamming, encourage research beyond calling the company. You know people are far too lazy and it's only doubt you are after, not confirmation. 22.When slamming, discourage people from taking the company's word - encourage them to seek outside proof. If the company's history is bad, point them there. 23.When slamming, refer to missed deadlines and weak financials. 24.When slamming, if the price rises, blame it on a temporary mass reaction to a press release rather than real interest in the stock. Point out low volume and emphasize the selling. 25.Pretend to share the same concerns by learning what they want to hear. 26.And above all else, be unpredictable. Please be wary of these people, and the tactics that they use. Remember, it is your money! Don't let anyone take it away from you! Crazy Canuk

To: Ruyi who wrote (18490)	4/9/1999 8:36:00 PM
From: Barry K	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 37507

Doug, You are the biggest manipulator I have ever seen. You say that you were not trying to mislead us because you cut and paste your post from the Stockhouse thread. Well you very carefully took time to adjust (or is that manipulate) the copy to meet your needs didn't you? In case you dont know what I mean, Here is how a cut and paste would look without being manipulated: ------------------------------------------------------------------ bountybull Bid.Com amendment no.2 20-F 4/9/99 / 3:07:35 PM 223591 << Previous Thread Next Thread >> Addition of final "Auditors Report". By Deloitte & Touche LLP ------------------------------------------------------------------- Now tell us Doug that you did not manipulate the data. Why don't you do us all a favor and take a hike. Barry