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To: Ilaine who wrote (34411)	4/11/1999 4:38:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Blue, I think you misunderstand the thrust of what I am saying. Morality is as relative today as it was three thousand years ago. I am not deriding anybody for his religious beliefs. I am simply pointing out that those beliefs are mutable. And pointing to the Bible as the source of morality is an exercise in futility. If we moved to a less volatile issue than murder or incest I think you will see what I mean. Look in Leviticus and you will find hundreds of laws purportedly handed down by God. Most if them are trivial (in the sense that they do not deal with killing, etc). For example, God commands that mildew be treated with a ritual consisting of sprinkling dove's blood on the walls. I can't remember the rest, but it is pretty odd. Nobody would advocate that kind of thing today, but apparently the ancients believed it. Thatkind of shifting morality can be found in everything from things we all hold dear (like life and truthfulness and honesty) to things that some, but many others do not (like ritual baths and kosher laws). By the way, I don't think God ever committed adultery, nor theft, nor lied, nor all the other stuff ... There are several occasions where God lied, and many many occasions where he encouraged people to do all of those things which we, as decent human being, agree are terrible. Again, the point of my comment was not to denigrate religion as to debunk the idea that religion is the source of our morality. In fact, I think it is the other way around. TTFN, CTC

To: Ilaine who wrote (34411)	4/11/1999 5:29:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

><>...When you talk about Sidney's God,...><> you are not talking about the Old Testament God, you are talking about the God whose Son was born on Earth and told us to love each other. That's just a point of fact. If Sidney is Christian, then the God of the old testament is his God who became flesh in the NT And alll that Christ said came from God. He said that He came not to destroy the law (10 Commandments) but to fulfill them. He also said He changes not one iota of the law (10 commandments). His telling us to love one another was Exactly what God told us to do some 4,000 years earlier. Cobalt!They are one and the same. If you were a Christian I would think that you knew this also. Jesus summed up the 10 commandments set down by God in the OT, in two sentence. And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. This relates to the first 5 commandments And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And this to the last 5. Remenber also: The NT tells us, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Have a good day Shalom...><>