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To: Ilaine who wrote (34429)	4/11/1999 8:35:00 PM
From: Chuzzlewit	Respond to of 108807

Blue, you are exactly right, but many of those rituals are still performed today by Orthodox Jews because the bible claims that those were laws handed down by God. You might find it interesting to read the first 5 books of the Old Testament (which is the basis for Judaism), and count up the number of laws that God supposedly handed down. And you will find some real oddities. For example, in Genesis you will find references to other gods who were in the habit of having intercourse with mortal women. Given the bizarre, contradictory tales in the OT it is no wonder that the Catholic Church abandoned the idea of reading the Bible in favor of Catechism. They needed a logically complete unit, and they fashioned based on the Bible, among other things. Here's one example of how it worked. The birth of Jesus caused a problem to 19th century Catholic theologians because the idea of Jesus' birth in an unholy vessel was unacceptable. But since the doctrine of original sin was already cast in stone -- the idea that people conceived as a result of a sexual union were sinners, something needed to be done about Mary. The solution: Mary must have been conceived immaculately. That let Mary off the hook, and now Jesus could be born to a mortal woman. The immaculate conception was a 19th century addendum to Catholicism. That's how religion evolves. And there are many more such examples, and that's why I believe that relying on religion as an immutable source of morality is wrong. But what do I know? I'm not a biblical scholar. TTFN, CTC

To: Ilaine who wrote (34429)	4/11/1999 10:26:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

><> Good eveving Cobalt...><> You said in relation to Lev. stuff like putting women in ritual baths due to menstruation and all is not part of Christianity. I can't explain why. Rituals and all blood sacrifices were done away with when Chris† atoned for our sins. The laws were not, and neither were many statutes. Once ever year the priest of the Israelites would offer up an unblemished calf, the first born. After many particular rituals being performed,and very specifically clothing being worn right down to the fabric, and only by a highly anointed and specific priest of God, he would then go to tabernacle of the congregation to offer up repentance for the sins of the Israelites. But now we have Chris† who has atoned for all the sins of the world. We need no high priest.... other than Him. He is our intercessor. There is only one man between God and us...the man Chris† Jesus. And that is what the OT was leading up to. God was preparing the people for The Coming of Jesus. No more are the blood rituals any worth. But the law is still in effect. It cannot save us, only the blood of Jesus can do that, but the law must still be obeyed. It is still is not legal to steal, murder, lie, commit adultery, covet our neighbors goods etc, etc... Have a good evening Shalom...><>