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To: nihil who wrote (34645)4/13/1999 12:43:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 108807
 
>There is nothing in school that aims
at the creation of new knowledge or the production of anything of any material
usefulness or value.<

Embedded in this remark is imho one of the cruelest and most distressing trends in modern educational thought. The idea that school should create new knowledge.

This is a terrible thing and here is why I think so.

School is a place to learn things. A place where we are given structured access to the great sea of facts, theories and opinions that constitute "knowledge". A schoolchild's proper attitude is to absorb and demonstrate proficiency in recognizing, remember ig and applying steadily more complex subject matter. The goal is to provide literacy. This meansd that those of us who went to school have a common base of experience against which we can calibrate the opinions and ideas with whut we play verbal foosball here.
I see a departure from and a denigration of the time-honored process of inculcating descriptive, yea rote, knowledge. This should be done first to provide a playing field - any field at all, preferably "even" - on which to practice nascent skills of criticism and creativity.
Teaching creativity is the task of college and perhaps of special advanced courses in high school. But first we need to establish and impart a standard of literacy. Verbal and geographic and arithmetic and historical literacy.
A good teacher pursues a program that teaches a defined block of this overall syllabus. A great teacher recognizes when some students are hanging up on one or more of the particulars - and spends the extra time to sign the class off on that finished, defined block of "stuff".
A bad teacher winks at the syllabus, then embarks on a personal program of boosting creativity or self-esteem or some such subjective academic amphetamine. Stimulating but not nutritious.



To: nihil who wrote (34645)4/13/1999 6:48:00 PM
From: jbe  Respond to of 108807
 
nihil, I am afraid I must agree with Lather on one point. In the course of my checkered education, I spent a year and a half at an ultra-progressive school (called, wouldn't you know, "Manumit"). The kids could all write fiery editorials denouncing U.S. foreign policy, but could not do fractions (and this was in 8th grade!). A year and a half was okay; but kids who had spent years at Manumit later found themselves academic cripples.

Schools do have to emphasize basics, if only because it is hard to be creative without knowing the basics. (Not impossible, however.)

Also don't agree that the primary purpose of education in general is to force the student into a mold. It often is ONE of the purposes, but I submit that imparting a certain body of knowledge is still the primary purpose. And if the school succeeds in doing so, it may actually prevent the student from being forced into a mold. In this country, in our day, youngsters are often "molded" by the pressures of mass culture. But one who has been taught to appreciate literature, say, may be less likely to spend his days & nights staring at boob-tube sitcoms.

On the other hand, I have to note that 90% of what I have learned was learned OUTSIDE of school (and I have over 20 years of schooling under my belt!).

BTW, If by "automating education" you simply mean using the computer in education, then, yes, computers can be very useful. (The phrase "automating education" calls up in my mind a vision of students moving down a conveyor belt, a la "Modern Times".) It is especially useful in what is called "distance learning", which has made it possible for people who otherwise would never be able to attend university (the disabled, people stuck in the Australian outback, etc.) to get an advanced education. (I have a sister-in-law and a brother-in-law who jointly edit a journal in the field, and I have been impressed with what is being done.)

C. Vann Woodward was one of my dad's buddies, in days gone by...

jbe