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To: rbarsom who wrote (3824)	4/15/1999 12:35:00 AM
From: one_less	Respond to of 17770

I am for the Albanians. I would encourage you to look at the recent history on both sides however. Its not Satan vs the Saints here. It started out to be a civil dispute in which both sides were pressing their bigoted politics. It did turn into something of revolutional proportion. "Rape camps" and "Death camps" careful here. Yes the rapes in Bosnia are verified. They are awful and I hate the soldiers who participated. It is not all of Serbia that is responsible. Deaths occur in armed conflict and usually there are more on the weaker side. That doesn't make them innocent. Some times a little guy can be a total creep to a big guy and get his nose broken. <<Don't bad mouth Bill Clinton he has done a lot for this country.>>Why would I want to bad mouth a guy who has personally enabled the whole country to consider lowering moral standards of behavior, or that Lied to my face in public on national tv while requesting my support for his efforts to ruin the name and reputation of a woman whom he had betrayed his wife with. Why would I say any thing bad about a man who has left a trail of women who were in his political camp and now complain of assault, abuse, and rape. How could I say anything about a man who has depleated our military strength while bungling operations all over the world in which hundreds of thousands of innocent villagers have died as a result. I don't have anything to say about a man who has taken an oath of office and then used the powers and resources of that office to lower my confidence in the justice system that will serve my childrens, childrens, children. After all my pockets and yours are full thanks to the economy which experts claim has nothing to do with clinton. And besides I don't have to say anything bad about him, everyone who has known him personally and placed their trust and support in him is now writing a book to tell all about his evilness and bungling in the white house. Its not about right and wrong afterall. Its about the economy stupid. So, let's just go along. Naw, you go ahead. I'll stick with the principles that once made this country great and that may someday be important again.

To: rbarsom who wrote (3824)	4/15/1999 8:03:00 AM
From: Bob Lao-Tse	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

>>He is stopping the rape camps and death camps. No he is not. That's the point that you're not getting. Yes the situation in Kosovo was and is ugly, but NATO involvement has made it worse, not better. Do you understand that? When the bombs and missiles started to hit, the campaign against the Albanians certainly didn't stop, it didn't even slow down. Instead it sped up! Don't you get that? We are not helping! Bill Clinton is, for better or worse, commander in chief. That means that ultimately, whether it's because he's simply an over-educated white-trash idiot who's totally out of his league or the willing pawn of either corporations seeking to make a buck or international power-mongers seeking to shift the balance of power, he is solely (especially since he bypassed Congress) responsible for getting us into this war in which we are vividly failing in our stated purpose of helping the Albanians. All we're managing to do is to make ourselves look even more like the evil and uncaring imperialist monsters so much of the world believes us to be. >>...he has done a lot for this country. Bill Clinton has done nothing good for this country. Rather, he has brought us to a new low. We now live in a country where adultery, perjury and rape are acceptable behaviors, but investigating those actions, or even criticizing those actions is somehow evil. We have reached the point where a celebrity can go on a talk show and call for the brutal execution of a man and his family simply because he had the gall to investigate an obviously criminal politician. We live in a country where the president can blatantly give missile technology to the Chinese army in exchange for campaign contributions and all of you self-satisfied morons don't even care. Whether it's because he's stunningly inept or blithely corrupt or (as I suspect) both, Bill Clinton has been an unmitigated failure as President. >>I mean look at the market. As for the market, it's driven by a thing you might have heard of called free enterprise. Free enterprise is the system whereby anyone can start, work for, buy from or invest in any business of their choosing. It permeates virtually everything about the American economy, and therefore our economy is almost infinitely complex and constantly changing. As such, the economy is clearly far too nebulous a thing for any individual, even a President, to substantially alter or even affect it. It is a huge and amorphous beast, and the notion that Clinton (or any other individual) is in any way responsible for it is patently ridiculous. -BLT