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To: Gersh Avery who wrote (5972)	4/15/1999 5:16:00 AM
From: Berney	Respond to of 11051

There is, by definition, no OT on this thread! The last statistics I saw was that 20% of the folks pay 80% of the taxes in this Republic. That stated, Roman circuses has/have been elevated to a new level in this Republic! The finance minister to Louis IV said it best: the art of taxation can be likened to plucking a goose. The idea is to get the most amount of feathers with the least amount of squawking. It really hasn't changed. Berney

To: Gersh Avery who wrote (5972)	4/15/1999 6:48:00 AM
From: Jurgen Trautmann	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 11051

Gersh, help me, " OT "? I just heard a discussing in our "Bundestag" about the war. It's getting polemic, personal, aggressive and unlogic. Our former rational foreignminister Fischer used a rhetoric that partly remembers me in Mr. Goebbels. In contrast to this, our statements here (and some mail I got) were - even if engaged and often contradicting - convinient because logical, not aggressive and reflecting the thoughts of others. Thank you for that. Different to Marc I'm convinced that every of us is impacted - not only emotionally but also financially. Most important, we all are impacted by the way our public environment will go the few years we still have to live. Like Mr. Gysi said (I'm just replaying the meaning) today in the "Bundestag": If we wanna live in a world where we can trust in justice and law, we don't have the freedom to break our own laws only why we don't like our laws in a given situation. We've broken international rights, NATO-contracts and UN-regulations in the moment we started the aggression agains Serbia. The damage resulting from that will be immeasurable - not only for the Serbs but for all of us. BTW, Marc, whatever this will cost, we all we pay that. Whoever will die, it will not be Mr. Clinton or Mr. Cohn end - last not least - surely not Mr. Milosevic. It's an silent but inaggressable agreement between all these self-just men, so called "representives of the people", that they don't no harm to each other. Clinton, Schröder "...don't fight a war against the Serbs" - while bombing only the Serbs and the Kosovars. They "...only fight against the criminal Mr. Milosevic" - but will take with him a humanitary candellight-peace-dinner still before this region will have stopped smoking. I aggree with Berney related to the trustability of humanitary arguments. We don't need to remember the "tourism" of the original habitants of northern Amerika - finished today? Or the by the 4 forces forced "wandering" of millions of Germans after "war II" singing "Go west!". Or the "concrete-curtain" dividing Mexico. How about the nuclear-experiments with a complementary red-rain-party on the neibourgh-islands? Todays offer: adventure-holidays - "Cross Serbia" (f.e. by luxury train). By far more exciting than the Universal-tour. I must take a break here - power is down in my town. <g>