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To: nuke44 who wrote (3958)	4/16/1999 12:11:00 AM
From: George Papadopoulos	Respond to of 17770

> So keep researching George and maybe you will find a source supporting your position that doesn't come straight from the propaganda ministry in Belgrade. I think my sources are a lot more credible than your sources. People can read and form their own conclusions...excluding Barry of course<g>

To: nuke44 who wrote (3958)	4/16/1999 12:17:00 AM
From: Broken_Clock	Respond to of 17770

nuke, I believe it is your bias that is showing. The general clearly stated that atrocities happened on both sides. Something you are unwilling to admit. Furthermore, rather than disputing the General on his facts, which seem to have credibility since he was the Commander at the time(seems his intelligence sources are credible...ARC, et. al.), you resort to character assassination. His characterization of the Bosnian leader has what to do with his discourse? Do you have proof that the Bosnian Muslim leader was not what the General ascertains.? Given the worldwide record of the many Muslim nations and the atrocities they have committed, is his disapproval of their methods unseemly?

To: nuke44 who wrote (3958)	4/16/1999 5:10:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 17770

Nuke44, I 200% agree with you! George Papadopoulos should try to give us a less biased standpoint. Living in Brussels, a melting-pot-city of a lot of different nationalities, I know how the Greeks feel about the Kosovo conflict: I hear them speaking of their ''fellow-brothers the Serbs'' and, likewise, their viewing of Albanians as mere Untermenschen... This is totally counterproductive. Now, to get back to infamous Gen. Satish Nambiar's opinion, I think it's all too easy to see why an Indian high-ranking official is condemning NATO's action in Kosovo: India itself is Yugoslavia power 10!!! The Indian (Hindu) establishment shares the very same mindset as the Serbs's and India, populated with almost 1 billion people, is as vulnerable as Yugoslavia when it comes to ethnic tensions. Now, how'bout a look at the larger (European) picture? Here's an interesting Danish progressive website that'll show you how far outside Yugoslavia jingoism is sneaking: faklen.dk Here's an excerpt of an analysis by an ethnic Danish of Pakistani descent (I found it necessary to balance Gen. S. Nambiar's quote ;o): ETHNIC OPPRESSION IN THE EUROPEAN UNION »Some people claim that Europe is dead. It is perhaps more correct to say that Europe is still waiting to be born. A Europe which protects its defenceless minorities. Europe must necessarily be multicultural, or it cannot exist.« (Susan Sontag). All over Europe people talk a lot about the European family, the European house, and the European culture. The politicians of the EU have been busy telling the public that the new Europe can become the leading superpower in the world. From the point of view of the European leaders, politicians and burocrats, the new Europe will be a place governed by peace and democracy, where the human rights will be respected and the European culture will flourish and become stronger, thus setting an example for the rest of the world. It actually appears that the leaders of these countries are comitted to creating the United States of Europe - a giant community of white, Christian countries, militarily and economically on the same footing as the US and Japan, and eventually stronger. Unfortunately, another European face is hiding behind this beatiful, democratic and humane European face, a face which is ugly and racist, in a continent which does not respect the human rights of its ethnic minorities. In this new Europe, 17 million non-European citizens from third-world countries are suffering from miserable housing conditions, the dirtiest and worst paid jobs, the highest unemployment rates and daily exposure to racism. The price for the scheduled new Europe consists in hermetically closed borders and a tightening of the laws for immigrants and refugees, which have actually already given the ethnic minorities a status of second class European citizens. As a consequence of this line of thought. the EU has now for a while unofficially worked towards a solution of the “immigrant problem”.

To: nuke44 who wrote (3958)	4/16/1999 5:30:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 17770

I wanted to go on in my previous message but, by the time I finished to write, the 15 minutes window was off!! So, here's the next part: Direct link: faklen.dk Got the picture? If you let the Albanian domino go then the North African one is next --and I'm talking of Western Europe now! This morning, I was listening to French radio station Europe1 and the news reporter was telling us that both B. Megret and J.-M. Le Pen, French jingo-leaders had election meetings yesterday... Some of their supporters were wearing the same bullseye tags as the people in Belgrade --meaning they were feeling as the next possible target of U.S. imperialism. Then there was this funny interview of an allegedly former French soldier who was recruiting volunteers to go to Belgrade... The clock is ticking --fast-- for NATO's ramping up its involvement in Kosovo... Are we going to end up with an Iraqi denouement?