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To: Jon Koplik who wrote (27319)	4/16/1999 10:06:00 PM
From: Ruffian	Respond to of 152472

Things are not going Tero's way these days, he resorts to posting on YAHOO> We live in interesting times... by: tero_kuittinen 4784 of 4803 ...as the Chinese curse goes. The gap between Zhu's antics in USA and the atmosphere in China couldn't be much bigger. Zhu dons a cowboy hat and gushes over Nasdaq - meanwhile back in Beijing Clinton is compared to Hitler. Can't wait to see the China Daily editorials after Zhu returns home. The most probable mobile telecom outcome is some sort of lame-o compromise with half a billion dollars thrown at a limited CDMA roll-out. They can then hamstring the whole roll-out by stepping up requirements for local content in telecom gear sold in China, tightening quality requirements, etc. Maybe this issue of foreign ownership of mobile operators will end up being the most interesting part of the Chinese market development. It would be great to see some real operator competition there. Tero

To: Jon Koplik who wrote (27319)	4/16/1999 10:13:00 PM
From: Ruffian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

PrimeCo, Has a problem> From the April 19, 1999 issue of Wireless Week PrimeCo Breakup Papers Filed By Bruce Felps DALLAS--The clock's ticking on the fate of personal communications services carrier PrimeCo Personal Communications LP. Last week Bell Atlantic Corp. and GTE Corp. filed a joint proxy statement with the Securities and Exchange Commission indicating they intend to dissolve the PrimeCo partnership immediately following the completed merger between AirTouch Communications Inc. and Vodafone Group plc. PrimeCo's dissolution stems from overlapping markets and possible infringements on non-compete clauses in the original partnership agreement between AirTouch and Bell Atlantic. The charter for PrimeCo, which included partners Bell Atlantic, AirTouch, U S West and Nynex Corp. when written in 1994, gives both surviving parent companies the right to end the partnership in 2001. Since the original agreement, U S West sold its stake in PrimeCo to AirTouch, and Nynex was acquired by Bell Atlantic. According to Brian Wood, spokesman for Bell Atlantic Wireless Group, which oversees the company's wireless interests, Bell Atlantic planned to end its partnership in PrimeCo in two years regardless of AirTouch's merger. "We will break up [the partnership] one way or the other." Wood said Bell Atlantic believes PrimeCo is "mature enough to stand on its own. We accomplished the goal of the [original] agreement, which was to establish a thriving PCS business." What will happen to PrimeCo remains unknown. AirTouch and Bell Atlantic could take control of different PrimeCo markets. However, separate control hinges on license or spectrum issues after the two mergers. The partners could spin off PrimeCo, issue an initial public offering of stock and become shareholders in the resulting company. One of Bell Atlantic's options is to divide PrimeCo's personal communications services properties with AirTouch following procedures contained in the PrimeCo partnership agreement. Jonathan Marshall, spokesman for AirTouch, said the company is willing to try that option. "We'll work to divvy up the markets. If we can't agree, it goes to arbitration. I can't say which markets AirTouch would want. That would be the subject of a lot of analysis." However, it is unlikely PrimeCo will be shut down, according to industry analysts. "I can't imagine that PrimeCo would cease to [exist], because they have more than 1 million subscribers," said Kent Olson, a consultant with The Strategis Group. Dave Berndt, associate director of the Yankee Group's wireless program, agreed. "PrimeCo is well known and has built strong brand recognition. There's value in keeping the PrimeCo name." If the partners become shareholders, that could draw the attention of government agencies, Berndt said. "If they issue an IPO, the Justice Department and the FCC will tell them they have to make enough stock public so neither company has a controlling interest." Berndt said dividing PrimeCo's markets among the parent companies would have a mixed effect on the industry. "On one hand, there would be one fewer competitors in the marketplace. But if they divvy up the properties, it could make each company stronger. Potentially, it could bring Bell Atlantic into a market like Dallas, or AirTouch could get Chicago. That would increase competition." PrimeCo, meanwhile, is taking a casual approach to last week's filing. "It's business as usual," said Catarina Wylie, PrimeCo's spokeswoman. "We've read the proxy statement and know what they're saying. At this point, we don't know anything more than that. It's in the hands of the parents."

To: Jon Koplik who wrote (27319)	4/17/1999 3:25:00 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

3D viewing and oil This from the Ericy thread but they thought it spam! Shows a distinct lack of imagination. This is the sort of useful adjunct to WWeb Anita [TM] so that people can put on the glasses and see 'for real' what's going on somewhere. hitl.washington.edu Nobody will be seen dead without one. On crude oil formation, the Winn Theory [circa 1984] is that marine debris [sharks, whales, old seaweed, hagfish] falls to the ocean floor and is carried along at about 10cm per year, being buried over millions of years and is then carried with subducted oceanic crust under the floating continental tectonic plates. Deep down, it gets super heated, under extreme pressure and is then carried with larva back up to the surface, being collected in sedimentary layers ready for oil drillers to come along and recycle it. If it comes up via volcanoes, it acts as a super propellant, making for very explosive volcanic action. I'd noticed that ophiolites, which are igneous rocks which rightfully should be subducted, are flipped up onto the top of continental margins, correlated with crude oil. Anyway, that's the short version. It didn't make me rich. The New Paradigm is doing a better job. Don't worry Gregg, the sky isn't even the limit any more. The stockmarket can go on forever. It probably won't, but it might! Mqurice PS: Here's a bit more on the carbon cycle and crude oil Message 8337978 With crude oil up 50% from the [admittedly very brief] low in December, there is a reasonable prospect that there will be a bit of a stockmarket crunch. That is a serious input price increase which might be good for BP, Shell etc but is bad for everyone else. The average over the past year or two hasn't changed much or is still down, so no real worries.