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To: E who wrote (35114)	4/18/1999 12:09:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

See my next message. Message 8986940

To: E who wrote (35114)	4/18/1999 12:13:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I understood your point, before, and was trying to address it, before you went to the extreme to make sure I got it. Lookit, E. It may be "sex" for the rapist, but it's not sex for the victim, it's rape. That's the problem. There are two bodies involved in the act, and they both have to say "yes." If either one of them, either of them, say no, it's rape, and it's not OK. And that's that. It may look an awful lot like sex, and if a baby results, then that's the way it goes, but no animal species I am familiar with practices rape, in the way that humans do.

To: E who wrote (35114)	4/18/1999 12:18:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I disagree about the last minute and a half. Humans pair-bond, and human males stay with their mates for several years, until the young are past the most helpless stage. Human males protect their females from rape. Lions don't rape, they live in prides. Wolves don't rape, they pair-bond. Dogs don't rape, they may be promiscuous, but there is no force involved. I realize that you know an awful lot about animal behaviour, but I just disagree that rape is the paradigmatic sex act among humans.