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To: Grainne who wrote (35156)	4/18/1999 12:49:00 PM
From: nihil	Respond to of 108807

I think the "transfiguration" (*Matt. 17:2-9) needs explanation by a materialist. Jesus allegedly took Peter, John, and James to the mountaintop on a little camping expedition and appeared glorified before them and was visited by Moses. God spoke "This is my beloved Son ..." Jesus swore them to secrecy until after his death, and afterward, Peter at least told the tale (in his epistle 2) but John didn't write it in his gospel (maybe it was too old hat for him, but strange that he wouldn't mention it). Strange proceedings, indeed. Those who experienced it did not doubt its validity, and in fact acted quite mad ever after, although Peter denied Jesus three times that dreadful eve of good friday. It could be a fake. It could be a glorious pot party. I recall my friends turning into dinosaurs, we were dying out, dying of thirst, the beer was all gone. It seemed quite real at the time. Its a terrible feeling to be exstincted without beer. We were listening to the Rite of Spring, of course. I myself, a Tyrannosaur, was dying out, crawling on the red earth from hole to hole looking for a beer. It was awful.

To: Grainne who wrote (35156)	4/18/1999 2:09:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

>The ancient world was rife with hallucinogens of all sorts.< You have to be careful about geographic distribution. Cannabis as a hallucinogen - that is arguable. The only hallucinogen available in the Levant would be atropine-containing plants, like belladonna. These are a harsh trip, man. More psychotomimetic than our modern psychedelics. The Middle easterners did not have mushrooms, cactus or vines containing the trippier chemicals. There is "syrian rue" but it is a source od harmaline. This is not in itself psychedelic but is an important component of ayahuasca, a South American mindblower. Ayahuasca contains dimethyltryptamine, an undeniably powerful psychedelic. It is orally inactive until it is admixed with harmaline. Disclaimer: I am no ethnopharmacologist.