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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: nihil who wrote (35172)	4/18/1999 2:04:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 108807

<<If the author of this were a man, I would feel it necessary to to turn him in for compulsory psychiatric evaluation. Of course he is having a sexual experience (by definition). >> Are you implying that my trying desperately to get the participants in this discussion to FACE THE FACT that some men get off on sexual predation per se, on violence against women, by spelling out a common scenario that I am hoping they can not continue to deny is sexual, is a sign of psychiatric unbalance on my part? Of course it is a sexual experience by definition. Have you read last night's posts? Do you appreciate how hard it has been for me to get my fellow posters to agree that the scenario I described and you are offended by is, for the rapist, a sexual one? But look at the progress we're making! We have Joan, and you and X and Chuzz and maybe we'll get Blue and Edwarda and Christine and others to agree with you and me and X and Joan and Chuzz that that scenario is sexual for the rapist. Last night the position most commonly taken here was that rape was not sexual for the rapist. It was thought that I must be implying, if I said it was, that it was 'OK,' that it resembled to some degree blaming the victim; that i didn't appreciate that really nice guys weren't rapists in their hearts; that I didn't understand that sometimes rapists couldn't 'perform,' and other odd things. I am overjoyed to have thought of a way to get some agreement that the category of rapist I described was having a 'sexual' experience. I was driven to spell out the scenario by my lack of any ability to make the point in any other way. Now that everyone (I suppose) agrees that the scenario I describe is sexual rape (Yay! Now we're getting somewhere; last night 'sexual rape' was an oxymoron!) we could discuss other subtler scenarios. I just wanted that proposition of mine to be examined seriously. We can talk later about whether the brain scans of the above rapist would more resemble those of individuals engaged in sexual intercourse, masturbation, fetishism of various kinds, or of bank robbers. That is a serious question to which i intuit an answer, and i am going to ask for another survey. But i really do have to stop having this fun now and get some work done. P.S. May I, in my own defense, suggest that you turn those who insist that the scenario I have spelled out is not 'sexual' in for compulsory psychiatric evalution? Your suggestion is a classic example of the impulse to kill the messenger.