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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E who wrote (35253)	4/18/1999 10:11:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Continuum time, isn't it? You are practicing bait-and-switch, you keep talking about your poor sister, and women who are raped by marauding armies, and then you bring up so-called "date rape." A more problematic definition that defining "date rape" I have never experienced, and I have been involved in more discussions about it than I care to. I never seem to start these things, you know, but I've certainly been in my share of 'em. In the one camp, you've got your "girls-say-yes-when-they-mean-no" guys (like Nihil, although to be fair to Nihil, he didn't say just that). In the other camp, you've got your "all-sex-is-violence" gals. And then the rest of us sort of wander back and forth, in between. There is a bright line. It's easy for me to draw. Without consent, sex is rape. If a woman doesn't consent, and she communicates that clearly, so-called "date rape" is rape. If a man forces sex on an unwilling woman, that's rape. Society may cut the man a break for social reasons, but that's after the fact. Someone who mugs a little old lady just once doesn't get a break. Someone who only murders one person doesn't get a break. What they do is, they say, well, how do we know she wasn't asking for it? Why was she alone with him, anyway? She was just leading him on, she was a cock-teaser, why should his life be ruined because of a little cock-teasing bitch? Stuff like that. No wonder women don't bother to report rape under circumstances like that. No wonder they blame themselves.