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To: wellab1 who wrote (2651)4/19/1999 12:42:00 AM
From: wellab1  Respond to of 4467
 
Internet Capital Group (ICG) press digest

I want to apologize if this will appear 2 times.I though I posted it few hrs ago but it is not there.This is next attempt.

I would like to encourage you to contribute to this attempt to collect as much info.as possible from archives of newspapers for
mutual benefit.As a rule (there could be exeptionns)I will not go back more than 1998.See also SFE press digest.
ICG web page:
internetcapital.com

A. PHILADELPHIA BUSINESS JOURNAL:
1.98/12/14 . How ICG was created.Article from before Vetical Net's IPO
amcity.com|Capital|Group

2.97/04/14. Old but interesting 2 points:
---exactly 2 years ago they declared the end of Internet mania and crash landing.
---- catch 22 .ICG was interested in bubble bursting so they can snap new cos. on the cheap.Now however they themselfs became
hot Internet issue and I guess they wouldn't mind the bubble to grow.
amcity.com|Capital|Group

3. 97 /09/29 Profile of W.Buckley III- president and CEO of ICG
amcity.com|Capital|Group

4.Profile of US Interactive - digital marketing-an ICG investment
amcity.com|Capital|Group

4.a. 98/08/17 US Interactive -an ICG company doubled in size will post double earnings next year
amcity.com|Capital|Group

5. 99/03/15 ICG ,TL Ventures, Excite,Comcast +others invest in Priva Seek a software company developing "Persona" software
enabling surfers to manage those lovely cookies.
amcity.com|Capital|Group

6. 99/02/09 Just annoucement.Vertical Net - (ICG has 50% stake in VERT)pricing its IPO today at $12-14 .
amcity.com|Capital|Group

........and look 2 months forward .VERT close on Apr.16 was $111 (latest downturn) after high of $ 143.37.This = 1000% IN 2 MONTHS from initial pricing and about 400% from low of $ 34.75.
Can we expect such an appreciation from ICG ipo? And corresponding growth in SFE (26% ownership in ICG) ? Well,you decide.
I would't mind to get 1 ICG right for every 5-10 shares of SFE I own.Alternatively ,subscription for even $25 for ICG share sounds still as very good deal.
quicken.com

Another reference point is MSGI-an odd telemarketing co.It went up 1000% (high) /2 months after CMGI took 15 % stake in them through
acquisition of CMGI Direct and CMGD CEO was appionted their president.
quicken.com

7. 98/09/21 Example of the obscene returns ICG is amassing so far.
ICG made from its 1.5 mln $$ investment in Match Logic 30 mln $$ in 9 months till Sep.98 (sold Match Logic to Excite).This 30 mln.in Excite shares appreciated another 500% + from Sept.98 till Apr99.(if they didn''t sell them).Excite went from around $ 35 in Sep.98 to $ 187 high and $ 139 close Apr.16 99.THAT'S 100 X = 10,000% (1.5 mln to 150 mln)in 15 months = 666% average/month = 22% each day for 450 days. WOW!
I dubble checked my calculations .On their web page they value this deal at $ 150mln.as of Apr.01.
Would be interesting to know what was their return on VERT and Wise Wire.Any idea?

amcity.com|Capital|Group

quicken.com

Another SFE affiliate TL-Ventures made identical returns.Looks like it is worth to stick with those guys.I will love them even if they will get miserable 1000% /year from subsequent deals.Can't wait to grab few shares.

Wellab




To: wellab1 who wrote (2651)4/19/1999 2:29:00 AM
From: michael r potter  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4467
 
Starting 1999, SFEs whole market value was less than $900M. Of that, the private investments were valued at around $175M. Now, just 4 1/2 mo. later, the market is placing a value of $2.1B. on the private investments alone. Up until now, it hasn't mattered what value the market was placing on them, because the majority of new players either didn't truly know, didn't care, or or both. Nothing wrong with riding that wave, in fact it was great. Much of net investing is just just hyper-momentum based or to put it more crudely, greater fool theory in overdrive. There is no way the majority of net investments can be justified by the earnings they will produce for the next decade. More fun ahead? Cracks started appearing recently and it could have implications for SFEs stock price of which the majority of the $60 premium over NAV is Net based. Recently the gap between value and growth had gotten to historic extremes. In April the tide began to turn. In the past two weeks, value has outperformed growth by almost 5%. Is this just a flash in the pan? I think not. The value is with "value" vs. growth as never before, and value is underowned vs. growth. As the momentum has started to shift, that recognition draws more funds that have to stay with the momentum and quickly acquire some value component. This will further the out-performance and draw in more money and momentum. If correct, what does this portend for the ultimate growths, the internets, with valuations off the charts? As they are mostly owned by individuals, those individuals are not likely to quickly abandon what has worked. At the margin, there will be funds pulled out and re-allocated to value. [Note, several posts in the past week, right here, have indicated that process has already begun.] This lessening of demand combined with the increasing supply that is occurring [new 'Net IPOs daily] could present a behavior in 'Net stocks that is a break from the last 6 mo. What very well could happen now is a trading range, where there will be vicious corrections and equally stunning rallies, but, as the two sides are more evenly matched, there are precious few upside breakouts that lead to the big gains investors have gotten used to. Many of the smaller 'net stocks are well down from their highs, and will not exceed them for years. One can only speculate what this will mean for SFE. Given the valuation shift outlined at the beginning, there may be not much room for error, not on the part of Safeguard itself, but in the psychology towards the internets which is primarily what SFEs $2.1B premium [and $83 price] is all about. I am very impressed by what the company is doing [reading the annual report almost makes one misty eyed, as their desire to enhance shareholder value is their primary focus and uppermost measure of success as a company]. The problem is valuation, and in the next few months, it may matter. This is not a prediction of doom and gloom, but as one who has been generally superbullish or bullish from $3.25 in '93, 17$ in '96, and $27 Jan. '99, I now believe it is a time for greater caution. Have core position, and will continue to trade the technicals, which short term are currently mixed. It is all about reward/risk, and that is now shifting toward value. Value without movement is worth nothing, but the technical picture is looking very positive with solid accumulation in the newly emerging value stocks. It might not pay to be late to this party, because most value stocks are not going to go from a 16 pe to a 50 pe. They just can't go up 4X or 5X in a few months like Nets have done. I have mentioned ABX, which Mon. will go up or down depending on a Swiss referendum voted on Sun. to sell gold. Have not heard results yet. The other stock mentioned was Borders Group. BGP $17 [bookseller: 900 Waldenbook stores, 250 Borders stores]. Revenue $2.6B. '99 engs. [Jan '00 FY.] expected $1.24 eps., next year, $1.43 ep.s. Market Cap. $1.3B. Compared to Amazon.com, '00 loss -$.29 ps. Market cap. $30.6 B. Yes, you can buy 23 1/2 Borders lock, stock, and barrel for the price of 1 Amzn. Something amiss? Technical action, breaking out. Have a good week. Mike