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To: Machaon who wrote (4554)	4/19/1999 9:12:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 17770

civil war-a war between geographical sections or political factions of the same nation Webster

To: Machaon who wrote (4554)	4/19/1999 10:18:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 17770

eary familiar? Indonesia crisis summit By Geoffrey Barker and Tim Dodd Indonesia agreed yesterday to an urgent summit meeting with Australia as spiralling violence and murder in East Timor became the gravest threat to relations between the two countries for nearly 40 years. The Prime Minister, Mr John Howard, and the Indonesian President, Dr B.J. Habibie, will meet in Bali, probably next week, to discuss the terror campaign in East Timor and the failure of the Indonesian armed forces to stop the killing spree by pro-Indonesian militias. The meeting will take place with senior Australian government officials who are increasingly concerned that powerful elements in the Indonesian Government and military are intent on repudiating President Habibie's decision to allow East Timor's independence from Indonesia. President Habibie and his Cabinet - frustrated by world opinion - are hardening their position on East Timor and becoming more reluctant to give the territory its independence. A senior Indonesian government official said in Jakarta yesterday that "there was a strong feeling in the Cabinet, and with President Habibie, that we have been too good to the world, too good to the UN, too good to Australia, too good to Portugal and all we get is criticism". "We have defended East Timor for nothing. So in the end we should tell East Timor, and Portugal and the world to go to hell," he said, describing the mood of some ministers. Mr Howard proposed the summit meeting during a 20-minute telephone conversation with President Habibie yesterday, during which he said there was "a strong and inescapable impression" in Australia that the Indonesian military (ABRI) had "not done enough to discourage the violence and killings". Mr Howard told President Habibie there was an unmistakable impression in Australia that ABRI was turning a blind eye to militia violence in East Timor. "He did not dissent from the view I put," Mr Howard replied when asked about President Habibie's reaction. The Prime Minister said he would be accompanied at the summit meeting by the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr Alexander Downer, and the Minister for Defence, Mr John Moore. Asked what he hoped to achieve at the summit, Mr Howard said it would be an opportunity to underline Australia's concern over what was happening in Indonesia ahead of the impending internationally monitored consultation process in which East Timor would decide whether it wanted independence from East Timor. Mr Howard said he had no doubt that Dr Habibie remained "very strongly committed" to the consultation process. Despite Australia's cautious public and private diplomatic language over the recent killings in East Timor, there is little doubt in government circles that the East Timor crisis is the most serious threat to Australian-Indonesian relations since President Soekarno's confrontation policy nearly 40 years ago. Australia is particularly worried that General Wiranto lacks either the power or the desire to control ABRI commanders in East Timor who are known to be providing logistic support to the militias rampaging against pro-independence East Timorese. Australia fears the consequences of all-out civil war on East Timor for the crucial economic and strategic relationship between Australia and Indonesia. Announcing the summit, Mr Howard repeatedly stressed that Australia was a "friend of Indonesia". But it was not an uncritical friend. afr.com.au

To: Machaon who wrote (4554)	4/19/1999 10:20:00 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 17770

A civil war? The Serb military police has been terrorizing the Kosovo Albanians for 10 years! Is that a civil war?>>> No Robert, usually civil war starts after 10 years of dispute over tulips price