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To: E who wrote (35492)	4/20/1999 11:29:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh, my, what an offer. Do you actually have ten million dollars? Let's see, who will you get to hold it for you while I try to find the reference? And who will we get to decide whether I win or not?

To: E who wrote (35492)	4/20/1999 11:52:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Message 8985303 Here is the original post. Go back and re-read it. In fact, I'll copy it and re-post it, and I'll high-light the parts that I think support my contention: To: Edwarda (35064 ) From: E Saturday, Apr 17 1999 9:04PM ET Reply # of 35499 <<BTW, rape may be the ultimate domination, but it is involuntary submission and has nothing to do with sex as far as I can tell. The domination is merely expressed via sex organs.>> I know that's what everyone says these days, but i'll be politically incorrect and disagree with you. And with everybody else except a few rednecks. (I know 'rednecks' isn't a nice term, so nobody bother to bring it up, okay?) "Nothing to do with sex"?, and "merely" expresses domination? Who did the brain scans that proved that? That's a notion. Of course rape is not love making. It's not affectionate. It's not mutual. It's not the kind of sex we like to look at and call by the same name we use for our own. But it's a man looking at a woman (or at somebody) and getting an erection and performing an act that gives him sexual release and can make a baby. (Babies don't get made from domination, they get made from sex.) Maybe if someone did brain maps of men making love and men raping, they'd see a few differences . But they'd see a lot more similarities, i'll bet. I think it's an attractive cliche everyone has colluded to treat as a fact, because it is satisfying to say and has usefulness. But I think it's silly and doesn't bear scrutiny and that there is no evidence that it is true. Rape is a sexual act of a brutal kind. IMHO It's the part about the similarities of the brain scans between men making love and men raping that I found offensive. The implication was that the thought patterns were the same, although you threw in "maybe" there were "a few differences." If men who rape have the same thought patterns as men who make love, how can rape not be "business as usual?"