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To: Ilaine who wrote (35503)	4/20/1999 2:18:00 PM
From: nihil	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I never claimed that women were the same as men, only that men conspired and often acted quite openly to keep women down and back. It isn't necessary to forbid women to compete in weights or javelin, or even distance and dash events. The "normal" fat ratios and fast and slow twitch muscles shares take care of that. I doubt that even extreme training in women would allow them to compete in most athletic events. But no man can ever bear or nurse a child, and damned few can raise a child successfully. Different sex specializations have taken care of that. But to forbid women to gain literary distinction is a crime. Few men have equaled Lady Murasaki, Jane Austen, or Sappho and none in my opinion have exceeded them (although comparisons of literature are somewhat arbitrary). Women as painters and sculptors may be disadvantaged by their inferior spatial aptitudes, and as bridge players and gamblers their generally inferior mathematical skills may restrain their success. Women do not seem as apt in engineering and science as men, but many of them are in the highest levels of achievement. So far, few in physics (Curee and Meitner come to mind) but more in astronomy. I am talking always of smaller proportions of women who reach the highest levels ( + 3 sigma) of performance, not their absence today. In the past the absence was not the result of lower aptitudes but of exclusion. I think women's exclusion in acting is an obvious example. Women were excluded from the stage in Athens and London, were treated as persons of low morals until our day, so that few women dared pursue a career on the stage. The great women actors of the stage and screen are every bit as great as the greatest men. What singer touched Callas, or actor Bernhardt. In music composition, women are not well represented in history, but in poetry -- so often sung -- there have always been great women poets. We must wait a while before we claim women's abilities are limited. Women have only had a decent chance at academic success in the main arena for a few years. I recall a classmate pulled out of grad school because her mother feared she would not get married if she earned her doctorate. I recall a lovely red-haired girl being excluded from a fellowship at Berkeley, because the Graduate Director said she was too beautiful ever to finish her Ph.D. Women do not have an equal chance even now. I was criticized by my male colleagues who were inconvenienced when I rearranged a young woman's teaching schedule so she could nurse her infant between classes. Too little is known about "genius" or extreme intelligence. It would not surprise me if men turned out to dominate genius in math, spatial, material sciences, and women dominated genius in literary, human relations. and politics even if both men and women got a fair chance to excel. Only time will tell, and we have to have equal opportunity before any test will be valid.

To: Ilaine who wrote (35503)	4/20/1999 4:42:00 PM
From: long-gone	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

On the subject, I now understand how rape feels.: Tuesday April 20, 8:01 am Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Investigation of Gold Price Manipulation Launched by GATA; Berger & Montague Retained as Counsel RYE, N.H., April 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Noted antitrust and securities law firm specialist, Berger & Montague of Philadelphia, has been retained by the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA) in order to assist in its investigation into the alleged manipulation of the gold market. The law firm is best known for its successes in recovering billions of dollars in damages in the Drexel Burnham/Michael Milken junk bond case, The Exxon Valdez case, and recent tobacco and Holocaust cases, and many others. Bill Murphy, GATA Chairman stated that the organization now has evidence that the price and supply of gold are being controlled by a cartel of Wall Street investment houses and bullion banks with the possible encouragement of the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury. ''This collusion,'' said Murphy, violates anti-trust laws and exposes the perpetrators to triple damages. ''It has been devastating to the entire gold community.'' The major federal antitrust laws are the Sherman and Clayton Acts, but there are others, and many other states have their own such anti-trust laws. Whenever two or more parties cooperate in limiting prices or supplies of a product or service, the free market is defeated and antitrust law may be broken. ''For the first time, the gold industry is speaking out on the record and in specifics regarding what they have suspected for years,'' said Murphy. He cited Friday's published report quoting Chris Thompson, Chairman of South African-based Gold Fields Limited, one the largest producers of gold in the world. Thompson accused ''New York-based bullion dealers'' of spreading unfounded and persistent rumors about its forward sales program in order to ''talk the gold price down.'' Speaking here today, Murphy stated, ''In some cases the gold market manipulators are quite open about their activities, though most are conducted in secret. They don't think that the law applies to them, or that anyone would be so bold as to try to hold them accountable under the law.'' Murphy went on to say, ''We believe one of the reasons that various financial institutions are acting in concerted action to hold down the gold price is that they are now short hundreds of tons of borrowed gold and that the speculative community in toto is short 3,000 tons, or more.'' Yearly worldwide gold mine supply in 1998 was only 2,529 tons. Essentially, many of these institutions are borrowing gold at 1-percent interest, selling the gold into the market, and using the proceeds to invest elsewhere. This ''gold carry trade'' is similar to the ''yen carry trade'' that caused such problems internationally last year.'' Such gold loans are cheap only if the price of gold holds steady or declines. Even a modest rise in the price of gold would make such a loan terribly costly, as principal repayment would become onerous. The evidence GATA has compiled suggests that gold loans have become so large that an international ''systemic risk'' problem has now been created. For if the price of gold rose unexpectedly even to a moderate degree, many gold borrowers would not be able to find enough gold quickly enough without driving the price into the stratosphere. That is one of the reasons that we believe certain financial entities have been manipulating the market in collusive fashion to make sure the gold price does not rise sharply above $300. The antitrust lawsuit GATA plans is now in the investigative and research stage, and GATA is seeking help from the gold community: financial contributions in support of the lawsuit; potential plaintiffs for the lawsuit; and potential witnesses willing to provide information confidentially about gold market manipulation. GATA also hopes gold company shareholders all over the world will contribute and support its efforts. Chairman Bill Murphy stated: ''The supply demand numbers tell us that if the excessive gold borrowings were just normalized the equilibrium price of gold today would be between $400 and $500.'' GATA is incorporated in Delaware and has applied for tax-exempt status under the U.S. Internal Revenue Code. The organization is actively involved in alerting members of Congress to this situation including offering its views on the proposed IMF gold sales. GATA has already scheduled meetings in Washington with Jim Saxton, Chairman of the Joint Economic Committees, among others. Contributions to GATA may be sent in care of John D. Meyer, Treasurer, at Box 885 Great Barrington, MA. 01230. SOURCE: Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee biz.yahoo.com