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To: Herm who wrote (10478)	4/21/1999 1:58:00 PM
From: Mark Mandel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14162

Herm: If I follow you, then the INTC May 150's (now 75's because of the split) that brought me $3.00 should be sold at the price of 1/16 today. The challenge then is to figure out what new calls to write without getting the underlying stock assigned. Any ideas? My strategy is to keep the stock and collect premiums. Mark Mandel (NoPain/NoGain)

To: Herm who wrote (10478)	4/22/1999 12:33:00 AM
From: fubsy cooter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14162

re novl: thanks herm and others. i ended up selling the may 22.50 cc's @ 1 1/4. got in the black and watched novl take off. not too unhappy though as its better than losing my shirt. cama out with a small profit. how often do shares get called out at this distance in the money? novl = 23 1/16 vs 22.50 strike. hoping i'm called out. figure i can then sell more cc's in the money for big cash, a huge downward hedge and maybe be called out again to do it a few days later. has anyone ever used that approach with any success. i know it eliminates upside potential, but with the market as volitile as it's been, i'm satisfied with quick consistent 10 - 15 % gains. actually, i'm satisfied with that anytime! best of luck to all!! fubsy

To: Herm who wrote (10478)	4/22/1999 1:01:00 AM
From: NateC	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 14162

Herm....you continue to amaze me. I thought I was getting it...after several weeks/months on this thread...and you keep on teaching us all this good stuff. I've heard about the BE before...but you posted this: That CC break-even (B.E.) is calculated by the strike price + actual premie collected. So, in the example of a $25 CC strike + $2+ premie= $27 is the cutoff for you to decide to cover (perhaps at a loss) or buy some long calls as a sideshow to regain control. Of course, you are using some of the CC premies to do that..... and I'd like to ask a question about the CC B.E. If you bought an underlying at 22, and sold the 25 call...say 1 month out....for $2. Your breakeven would be 25+2, or 27. However you own the underlying...so with the stock at 27...you've made 5 points on the underlying. Now you've collected $2 worth of premie..but if you don't repair...you're only going to get $3 worth of runup on the underlying...to 25..and you'd keep your premie of 2...so your best profit position, with the stock at 27....is $5...if exercised. Since 27 is your BE position, WINS tells us to buy back at that point...so we spend maybe $3....(since the 25Call is ITM.....)to buy it back. We now have the underlying at 27, and the full 5 on the runup.....but we've spent $3 in buying back.......so we have a net $2 on the underlying...plus our original $3 premie....for a total of $5....It's the SAME, it seems to me...and it keeps coming out that way. Now if the stock goes up to $30....if you didn't buy back...you still make $5....And if you did buy back....you'll get the additional runup to $30...in this case $3 more. BUT....and I just learned this one the hard way with Schwab.....when you repair....the stock can tank...and if you didn't buy protective puts...you're screwed.!! Is there more to the math of the breakeven....because it doesn't seem to make you any more money...than just getting exercised...unless somehow you KNOW the stock is going further up.