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To: Ilaine who wrote (35578)	4/21/1999 4:42:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

<<I am sure there will be a public outcry to ban handguns. I wish that there would be a public outcry to teach children and teachers to be civil, and not to look the other way when children are being tortured with emotional abuse by other children.>> Janet Reno has come out saying we should identify and intervene earlier with troubled children. I finally found something to agree with her on. My take is shotguns and pipe bombs were used, not handguns. I do expect a major push from HCI talking about dead kids and rolling out poor old Jim Brady. Odd about Jim, when he's not in DC he's not in a wheelchair and rides horses in Southern Illinois. EDIT: I should also mention the NRA will have a fundraising push to stop the anti gun crowd. Another great orginazation, they publicly stated they wouldn't support Bush and then ran a drive because Clinton was elected.

To: Ilaine who wrote (35578)	4/21/1999 5:32:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 108807

No, he didn't say they had been picked on. He said they usually had smiles on their faces. He said he thought they weren't prejudiced against anyone (but other reports have it that they targeted 'minorities and athletes.') He was not a deep thinker: when asked the significance of the black trenchcoats, he said it was "because they liked the color black; i like blue, if i want to wear blue, i will." There have been heartbreaking cases of teen suicides over being tormented. I can't bear to think of it. I can hardly bear to think of my own high school years, and i was very lucky in the lottery of life; but even so, I wouldn't relive it for anything. I only have one friend who had a "great time" in high school. A public school. Someone, Steven I think, in talking about public schools vs private, made the observation that an advantage of public school was that it forced you to learn to get along with all kinds of people. No, it was in connection with home schooling. Anyway, the point was that in real life you have to meet all kinds of people, so it's a good thing to learn to do that in school. That seems sensible. But i don't think kids who go to private school are disadvantaged in their relations with others. I went to both, and was infinitely happier in private school. And when I got older, I had the thought, Hey, wait a minute; the only people forced to hang out with people who taunt and torment and behave boorishly to them are students. (Well, prisoners, too.) You grow up, you don't hang with people who insult you or put bruises on your upper arm for sport and hate you for performing well. Work situations are usually (not always) more civil and controlled. If they aren't, it is often (not always) possible to leave. Students have to stay in whatever nest of vipers they find themselves in. And we adults arrange our lives so as to spend as little time as possible with assholes and brutes, so i'm not sure it's so beneficial for children in their formative years to be in forced association with them. I understand the elitist implications of what I just said. I am just thinking out loud and have no idea what to do, so don't ask me what I propose, except for what Blue said, <<< I wish that there would be a public outcry to teach children and teachers to be civil, and not to look the other way when children are being tortured with emotional abuse by other children.>>> I'm really not thinking about the Littleton case, because we don't know yet what went on, whether it was or wasn't another of the striking-back cases....