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To: Sili Investor who wrote (23846)4/21/1999 6:23:00 PM
From: Brader  Respond to of 37507
 
Sili. My take on the trading is there is a lot of selling on the Canadian exchange and there is massive accumulation on the Nasdaq. since they trade as separate entities. Am I right or am I looking at this all wrong? Any idea on the short position?



To: Sili Investor who wrote (23846)4/21/1999 6:26:00 PM
From: F. Evans  Respond to of 37507
 
KEEP YOUR HEADS UP......READ THIS......

Can't talk now, I promised my wife and son we would go out to dinner tonight.....just got in from the office....DO YOU PEOPLE ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE????

JOIN ME HERE AFTER 8:30.........I'LL TELL YOU WHY.....JUST PLEASE DON'T PANIC LONGS...

To all shorts....you made some good money....congratulations...we got it the first time and now you guys made your money.....finally after almost 6 months.......BUT NOT FOR LONG.....

Talk to you all later....AND PLEASE....Lot's of people lost money the past couple of days....try and show a little sympathy people....we're all in this together..long or short...it's all our stock.

Frank



To: Sili Investor who wrote (23846)4/21/1999 6:26:00 PM
From: Ruyi  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 37507
 
The damage keeps coming. Accounting questions ???
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-- =Cda's Net Darling Bid.Com Gets Dose Of Realism On Wall St. --

By Scott Adams

TORONTO (Dow Jones)--Canadian online auction company Bid.Com International
Inc. (BIDS) hopes to ride the wave of Wall Street's dot.com euphoria with its
listing on the Nasdaq exchange.
But it has gotten off to an inauspicious start, as the company's shares have
tumbled since the company started Nasdaq trading Tuesday.
The stock is down 3 3/16 to 9 5/8 Wednesday, after having lost 3 13/16
Tuesday.
As one of Canada's few pure-play Internet stocks, Bid.com has benefited from
the Internet mania which has whipped investors into a frenzy reminiscent of the
gold rush days. It has been one of the hottest stocks in Canada for the past six
months, rising as high as 32.05 in Toronto on April 9, from a 52-week low of
0.56 last October.
Like many other Internet stocks, the company hasn't posted a profit yet. The
company, which changed its name from Internet Liquidators International Inc.
last year, buys products from manufacturers and distributors and resells them
through online auctions on its Web site. It competes with U.S. companies such as
UBid Inc. (UBID) and Onsale Inc. (ONSL).
In an effort to boost market share, Bid.Com last year sold many of its goods
below cost, meaning it sold the products at less than what it paid for them.
Other comparable U.S. Internet auction companies sometimes sell goods below
cost, but not as frequently as Bid.Com.
Bid.Com wants to be "cash flow positive in 1999" and that means it will wind
down this discount practice, president Jeff Lymburner told Dow Jones. The
company hopes to do this while increasing revenue to about C$50 million in 1999,
Lymburner said, adding that the company has numerous plans to diversify its
revenue.
Last year, the company's main goal was to increase traffic to its Web site
"and certain expenditures made sense," Lymburner said. "We think we've reached
the critical mass where we don't have to make some of those same expenditures
(as last year) so I think that we will see a very measurable move towards
improved margins (this year)."
In 1998, Bid.Com had revenue of US$13.1 million, or C$20.1 million, up 600%
from the prior year. The company incurred direct expenses of C$19.4 million, for
a gross profit of C$728,000. But that gross profit excludes some expenses.
By definition, gross profit is net sales less the cost of goods sold; it's
also called gross margin. However, Bid.Com has an atypical way of accounting for
some of its losses and expenses. The company's financial reports show that it
places the loss for goods sold below cost under its advertising and promotion
expenses category. According to Bid.Com's 1998 financial report, it cost the
company C$3.52 million to sell goods at below cost last year. This figure is
included in advertising and promotion expenses of C$12.6 million.
If Bid.Com had included the losses on those goods sold under its gross margin
heading, gross profit would have been negative by about C$2.8 million in 1998.
In comparison, competitors Onsale and UBid include in their gross margin those
goods that they sell at below costs. In 1998, uBid had revenue of US$48.2
million and a positive gross margin of US$4 million. Onsale reported gross
merchandise sales of US$234.4 million and a gross profit of US$22 million in
1998.
Bid.Com's Lymburner said the company's accounting has been approved the
company's auditors Deloitte & Touche LLP and it complies with U.S. and Canadian
generally accepted accounting principles. The company's 1998 financial results
were filed with the SEC as of April 15 prior to its listing on Tuesday.
Robert Willens, a well-respected tax and accounting analyst with Lehman
Brothers, said he can see the theory behind Bid.Com's accounting and that he
doesn't believe it is "erroneous." A Nasdaq spokesman said foreign-listed
companies must comply with U.S. GAAP before listing on the exchange.

Stock Ran Up Prior To Nasdaq Listing

Duncan Stewart, a portfolio manager for the Canadian Navigator Technology
Fund, said the stock has fallen in the past two days because it should never
have reached as high as C$32.50 earlier this month, which gave it a market
capitalization of more than C$1.5 billion. The stock ran up prior to its Nasdaq
listing on the hope that U.S. investors would bid it up even higher, but just
because a Canadian stock lists on the Nasdaq, that doesn't mean it will go
higher, he said.
He said some investors have also been incorrectly comparing Bid.Com's revenue
to eBay Inc.'s (EBAY) revenue. Bid.Com's 1998 revenue of US$13.1 million
includes the value of all the goods it sold, or gross merchandise sales. In
1998, eBay had revenue of US$47.4 million, which is the figure that some
investors were comparing Bid.Com's revenue with. But eBay's gross merchandise
sales were worth US$745.4 million in 1998, or 57 times greater than Bid.Com's
sales. eBay differs from Bid.Com in that it doesn't buy the merchandise, it only
collects the commissions for providing an auction site for buyers and sellers.
It reports its commissions as its revenue.
As of the close of Tuesday, eBay had a market capitalization of US$19.6
billion, about 30 times the size of Bid.Com's market cap of about US$650 million
at the close Tuesday.
In addition, although Bid.Com reported less in gross merchandise sales than
Onsale and uBid in 1998, its market capitalization was higher as of the close of
Tuesday, even after falling significantly in recent days. As of the close
Tuesday, Onsale had a market capitalization of US$469 million, while uBid had a
market capitalization of US$404 million.
Bid.Com has also found it difficult to attract a loyal institutional following
in Canada. Only two research analysts have reports out on the company, its
underwriter Yorkton Securities Inc. and Taurus Capital Markets Ltd., which put a
"sell" rating on the stock last November.
Ian Ainsworth, portfolio manager of the Altamira e-business Fund, isn't a
shareholder. "We've looked at the company and we chose to go with models that
are more viable," he said, declining to elaborate.
However, the company has attracted a loyal following among retail investors,
as apparent on Internet chat lines. It has also been promoted on an Internet
site called Bidding On Bay Street. Earlier this month, Bid.Com was added to the
Toronto Stock Exchange 300 composite index, drawing buying from index funds.
Bid.com also has aggressive diversification plans. President Lymburner said
the company will be updating its Internet auction site in about a week,
specifically its "Dutch Auction" service. Whereas most auctions have rising
prices, Dutch Auctions have declining prices. This new Dutch Auction service
will have audio and video features, which Lymburner said will be unique to
Internet auctions.
Bid.Com received a patent last month for its Dutch Auctions "process," which
it hopes to license to other parties. Lymburner declined to say how much revenue
the company believes it can derive from these licenses, but he said there should
be revenue from that this year.
Bid.Com hopes also to license its auction technology to other parties, such as
newspapers. Bid.Com also has begun to see revenue from advertising on its
auction Web site, though Lymburner couldn't provide any specific figures. It
also is launching business-to-business auction services.
-By Scott Adams; 416-943-7804; scott.adams@dowjones.ca
(END) DOW JONES NEWS 04-21-99
03:48 PM- - 03 48 PM EDT 04-21-99