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To: D. Long who wrote (4958)	4/22/1999 4:34:00 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

Derek, I appreciate your thought-provoking, philosophical discussions with Neocon... So, allow me to make you notice that Gods and religious believes are JUST ANOTHER FORM OF CONSPIRACY! Either you believe that mankind is fragmented into several ethnic, political, economical communities that all pursue their own agendas or you repress such a Babel-Tower-like representation in favor of some supernatural almighty power: God. Obviously, the big difference between a ''supernatural'' conspirator and human, blood-and-flesh conspirators is that you can't track the former!! Let me take an example: the JFK assassination. JFK's been assassinated??! You're kiddin'! Toooo bad... Oh, well... must be an ACT OF GOD: GOD WANTED JFK TO TAKE THE LIFT on that doomed day in 1964. The instrument of God? He chose Lee H. Oswald as His holy appliance. Period --Oops! make that: Amen! That's for the spiritual conspiracy. Now for the materialistic one: investigators, former CIA agents, witnesses of the crime scene can all be called upon in an attempt to see IF the CIA or some other covert conspiratorial interests have been involved in the assassination of JFK. Journalists, lawyers, even movie directors are eligible to participate in such a process: No priest, no rabbi, no bishop, no Pope can tell them what's true and what's not, what's taken for granted by the Holy Scriptures and what's not... Only their own conscience will guide them in their quest for the ''truth'' --freely. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather lean on the latter ''conspiratorial mindset'': after all, human beings are blood-and-flesh, aren't they? Of course, it's much more interesting for the ruling elites to make the masses believe in some otherworldly superpower and have them go to church every Sunday... Unholy yours, Gustave.

To: D. Long who wrote (4958)	4/26/1999 5:16:00 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 17770

One of the important things about Nietzsche is that he finally clarifies that our tendency to unite "Truth, Beauty, and the Good" is not well- grounded. On the one hand, the strong will disdain lies, and seek to look truth in the face, even if is terrible. On the other hand, we would be foolish to revere truth at the expense of life, and it may be that illusion is necessary in order for life and culture to flourish. Thus, Nietzsche sees philosophy as both destructive, since it will dig underneath our comfortable assumptions, and constructive since it will propose a new scheme of values that will get us past nihilism. Of course, the tension was not fully resolved, to say the least...