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To: jlallen who wrote (4973)4/21/1999 10:09:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Respond to of 17770
 
Another good article from the british press...Great opener..."It's within"

Conflict Shakes Greek Tightrope
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By Brian Murphy
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, April 20, 1999; 1:37 a.m. EDT

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- For NATO member Greece, the main showdown isn't with Yugoslavia. It's within.

Public opinion in the country is almost totally unified against the air attacks. Greeks worry about being snared in a wider Balkan
war and find kinship with Serbs as fellow Christian Orthodox, whose leaders often promote age-old paranoia about losing ground to
Muslims and bowing to the West.

The Greek government has so far managed to balance between domestic dissent and alliance obligations, but with the attacks showing
no sign of easing, that act may become harder to perform.

Escalating the air campaign could mean using Greek bases. Ground action in Kosovo would likely bring convoys of soldiers and
troops through the northern port of Salonica en route to Macedonia -- a corridor that has already been closed off once by
anti-NATO protesters.

Greek officials say they will not contribute any forces to attack Yugoslavia. But if public protests block even logistical
support, the question would ring louder: Is there a place in NATO for an unreliable ally?

''If Greece, because of public opposition, can't handle its NATO obligations in this case, there could be some wider fallout,''
said James Ker-Lindsay, an analyst at the Royal United Services Institute in London. ''They could face some serious credibility
issues with other NATO partners.''

Other Balkans nations desperate to join the alliance -- including Romania and Bulgaria -- could emerge as NATO's new regional
operational points if Greece balks at full cooperation. Albania may find itself contentedly ensconced as an undeclared NATO
protectorate.

Protest rallies are held nearly every day now in Greece, allowing Greeks to revel in nationalism and America-bashing reminiscent
of the days before the big U.S. military bases closed in the early 1990s.

Several times, riot police have been called out to protect the U.S. Embassy. Last week, demonstrators temporarily blocked a French
military supply convoy near the Macedonian border. One vehicle's windshield was smashed and swastikas were painted on containers.

Some polls show opposition to the bombing running over 95 percent. Sensing a huge potential audience, an Athens theater troupe
quickly put together a show lampooning NATO as a bumbling, Nazi-like power.

Clergymen have also helped stoke the anger. The leader of the Greek Orthodox Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, called the NATO
attackers the ''pawns of Satan.''

The protests -- many organized by Greece's Communist Party -- are spilling over in the military. On Sunday, a navy lieutenant was
taken into military custody for refusing to take part in a NATO deployment not directly linked to the attacks.

Premier Costas Simitis was curt when asked about military dissent. ''They go where I tell them to go,'' he said.

''Greece is part of the West. Its role has been established. But some voices still scream that ... it doesn't belong alongside
Western Europe and America,'' said Constantine Karistinos, a researcher at the Institute for International Relations in Athens.
''The Kosovo situation has enlarged this divide.''

But NATO appears ready to give Greece some leeway. A top NATO official, speaking on condition of anonymity, lauded Greece for
''holding up very well ... despite the domestic pressure.''

Forcing the Greek leadership to pick between its NATO obligations and pro-Serb public sentiment could create a government crisis
and bring unwanted disruptions in the alliance.

Michael Doyle, a professor of political affairs at Princeton University, said NATO's policy may be to keep Greece ''as uninvolved
as possible in Kosovo.''




To: jlallen who wrote (4973)4/21/1999 10:12:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Respond to of 17770
 
Now passing something else that fits me better<g>

Is Clinton worth dying for?

What is the US really doing in the Balkans? This is a question that millions
of Americans are now beginning to ask in earnest. Unfortunately, most of
them seem to be arriving at the wrong conclusion. Continually fed stories of
Serbian atrocities, supported by hours of television footage of thousands of
Kosovars forced to abandon their homes, it has been all too easy for
Americans to assume that their government is engaged on a humanitarian
mission. What has not sunk in as yet is the fact that America is at war —
and it is a war — not merely to save Clinton's political skin by driving his
scandals of the front pages but to supply him with the kind of legacy for
which he desperately craves. A legacy that in his own mind would portray him
as a great leader if not actually a hero.

None of this is based on Clinton-hating paranoia (I don't hate the man at
all — I just despise him) but on observation. The manner in which he has
climbed to the top, his betrayal of friends and his country's national
interests, his corruption and compulsive lying, his contempt for the rights
and interests of others, his vindictiveness and spite all indicate a
personality that literally cannot empathasise with others, who merely sees
people as pawns. Such a personality would have no moral qualms about
endangering the lives thousands of US troops if it thought it would promote
its ambitions.

And what is Bill Clinton's chief ambition? In his book Agenda Bob Woodward
relates the tale of Clinton telling his aides how he would have liked to
have been president during WW II. This is a chilling and revealing insight
into Clinton's state of mind. No sensible and humane man really wants to
lead his country into war. He does so out of perceived necessity and nothing
else. War means that leaders have to make awful decisions that involve the
loss of thousands of lives. Churchill, for example, knew that Coventry was
going to be bombed and yet he took no measures to prevent it. Why? Because
that would have told Berlin that the British had cracked their codes. Does
anyone think he enjoyed making this decision? What kind of man wants to put
himself in a position where he has to make life and death decisions for
thousands because he thinks it will make him look good? A man like Clinton,
that's who.

What does he crave? The kind of legacy that the Churchills of history
bequeath their countries. Clinton believed that Kosova offered him such a
legacy on the cheap. The none-too-bright Albright assured him that Milosevic
would quickly surrender to an aerial assault and thus allow NATO, meaning
Clinton, to dictate terms to Milosevic. In this fantasy, Clinton emerges
smelling like roses, a genuine leader who humbles his critics, despatches
his scandals and establishes a legacy worthy of a national hero. Who knows,
maybe even Mount Rushmore figures in his dream.

However, Clinton's dream is in very real danger of turning into a military
and political nightmare for the nation. Elsewhere I wrote that Clinton's
actions risked "triggering uncontrollable forces" and that "any Serbian
leader who gave up Kosovo might as well commit suicide."* I also pointed out
that Milosevic would sit tight while accelerating the drive against Kosovo
Albanians. This is precisely what he did. How did I know? Because Clinton
gave him no choice, unless you consider suicide a choice.

Milosevic knew that the aerial attack would be spearheaded by cruise
missiles. He also knew, as would anybody who read an American paper or
watched CNN, how many cruise missiles the US had in stock. Well, it is now
believed that the cruise inventory may have dropped below 100 because,
thanks to Clinton's gutting of the military, there are no cruise missile
production lines in operation. This means that low flying aircraft will
eventually have to replace them. Something else I pointed out. To make it
worse, the risible 'strategy' of using bombing to 'degrade' Serbia's
military facilities and logistics have been a dismal failure. After more
than 4000 sorties intelligence believes these facilities still largely
remain unscathed. Why? Because the important fixed positions are
underground, where they have been for 50 years, while mobile units,
including hundreds of tanks and ground-to-air missile batteries, remain
intact.

So Serbian forces still have anti-aircraft missile batteries, thousands of
anti-aircraft guns, not to mention several hundred shoulder-launched
anti-aircraft missiles. Does General Wesley Clark know this? Of course he
does and this is why, in my opinion, the pentagon is not releasing battle
damage assessments. Clark knew from the beginning of the campaign it would
fail to severely damage the Serb military because it had prepared itself
decades ago for a massive assault. Only then, the expected enemy was Moscow.
Very sensibly, the Serbs have pursued the
wait-until-you-see-the-whites-of-their-eyes military strategy. Meanwhile,
Serbian forces carry on with the expulsion of Kosovar Albanians.

Clinton and his kindergarten circle of advisers cobbled the thing together
in the belief that Milosevic would fold after a week or so. Why shouldn't
he? After all, they would. No wonder there is so much discontent in the
Pentagon. No general would ever dream of committing forces in this manner.
But the commander-in-chief (the man who loathes the military) has done just
that. Now our left-wing dominated media is beginning to talk of a "lengthy
campaign" and the "necessity for ground troops", constantly relating stories
of atrocities and acts of genocide to justify extending the war. Now let me
make this clear: This war is being pursued by Clinton serve his own
ambitions while the liberal (left-wing) media see it as a means to punish
Milosevic for his politics, not for his crimes. Humanitarianism has nothing
to do with it. Many of those calling for war are the same people who cheered
Pinochet's illegal arrest but just cheered and cheered Castro. The same
people who scream for Milosevic's head are cheering Zhu, whose government is
guilty of crimes that greatly exceed anything Milosevic has done.

So Milosevic the thug, whose wife is a dedicated Marxist-Leninist, has been
selected as the means to provide our sociopathic president with his legacy.
That is what it is really all about and that is why a lot of gallant young
Americans are in grave danger of going home in body bags. But Milosevic is
not going to be a patsy for Clinton and probably intends to give Clinton the
kind of legacy he would dearly love to avoid. Clinton gutted the military,
squandered the country's moral authority, aggravated conditions in Kosovo
and made the world a more dangerous place, provoking Russian nationalism,
isolating Macedonia and Montenegro and maybe even destabilising Greece in to
the bargain. Some legacy.

Perhaps now Americans will come to realise that the presidency involves more
than policies on school uniforms, meddling in medical affairs, making
high-sounding commitments about education, etc. Maybe now they will realise
that character does matter and genuine moral authority does not spring from
poll ratings nor is it a matter of numbers.

What of the Kosovar refugees? Like it or not, Kosovo is part of Serbia. If
Serbia expels part of its population this leaves Western nations with only
two choices: a) absorb the refugees or (b) invade kosovar and occupy it on a
permanent basis, expelling those Serbs who resist. It would have been
cheaper and more humane to have implemented a Marshall Plan for Albania than
attack Serbia.

Where or how it will end is now anybody's guess. But the real question still
remains: Is Clinton worth dying for?




To: jlallen who wrote (4973)4/21/1999 10:14:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Respond to of 17770
 
Clinton: Youth need peaceful examples
==============================

Wednesday, 21 April 1999 16:53 (GMT)
WASHINGTON, April 21 (UPI) - President Clinton (Wednesday) urged
parents and schools to do more to "show our children by the power of
our own example, how to resolve conflicts peacefully." Reflecting upon
Tuesday's horrific school shooting in Colorado, Clinton added, "We must
all do more to recognize and look for the early warning signals that
deeply troubled youngsters send before they explode into violence."
==============================

Pathetic!




To: jlallen who wrote (4973)4/21/1999 10:22:00 PM
From: George Papadopoulos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 17770
 
The San Francisco Chronicle APRIL 5, 1999, MONDAY,

EDITORIAL; Pg. A19

ARTHUR HOPPE

OUR LEADERS say we must keep on bombing Kosovo to save the Kosovars
from being killed by the Serbs instead. People of good will can't
help but applaud our humanitarian efforts, but I think we should stop
bombing Kosovo and start bombing Turkey.

The Serbs may have been kicking the Kosovars around lately, but
Turkey has been oppressing the Kurds for nigh on 80 years. True, the
Turks may not have slaughtered as many innocent citizens in recent
weeks as the Serbs have, but over the years the Turks have built up a
pretty darned impressive record of executing dissidents, burning
villages and driving peasants into exile.

Some will say that we can't stand idly by while 2 million Kosovars
are being hounded by the evil Serbs. Nonsense, we are very good at
standing idly by. Look how idly we stood by when the Hutus were
hacking to death 800,000 Rwandans. Of course the Rwandans were not
only black, but had no oil fields to speak of.

Instead of bombing Kosovo in the humanitarian spirit, I say we should
make diplomatic protests to Belgrade. Diplomatic protests worked just
as well in punishing oppressors in China, South Africa and Latin
America as did our bombs in Vietnam, Libya and Iraq. From all
accounts, all our bombs have accomplished so far in Kosovo is to
drive the Serbians into committing more and more atrocities.

But if we must bomb someone to save our national honor, I say we
should bomb Turkey. First of all, great big Turkey is easier to hit
than tiny little Kosovo. Second, there are 25 million Kurds to save
with our bombs -- more than ten times the number of persecuted
Kosovars.

To be sure, there are a few obstacles to bombing Turkey. For one
thing, she's our staunch NATO ally. That means the Kurds who are
fighting for freedom are not freedom fighters. Our State Department
has officially labeled them as terrorists and rightly so. As you
know, a freedom fighter is fighting for independence from someone we
don't like; a terrorist is fighting for independence from someone we
do.

So the Kurds are official terrorists, and we certainly can't engage
in a humanitarian bombing campaign in favor of terrorists.

What about China? China is no friend of ours. Therefore, those
fighting for freedom in China are freedom fighters, not terrorists.
But China is awfully big, and it has nuclear missiles, too. There's
no sense getting carried away by our humanitarian feelings.

Then we have East Timor. The inhabitants declared the Democratic
Republic of East Timor in 1975, and the Indonesians have been
kicking them around ever since. As I recall, though, the Indonesians
are our pals these days, so the East Timorians may well be
terrorists. Anyway, "Democratic Republic" sounds vaguely communistic,
and we certainly don't want to waste our vast arsenal of
humanitarianism on a bunch of commies.

Sri Lanka's a likely candidate. The Sri Lankans have been butchering
the rebel Tamil Tigers for years. Unfortunately, I'm not sure who's
on our side. But what about the Congo? Or Burkina Faso? Or maybe . .

Anyway, there are oppressed people all over the world who deserve
our humanitarian bombs. So what have the Kosovars done to merit our
magnanimous concern?