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To: Rick Julian who wrote (35708)	4/23/1999 10:04:00 AM
From: jbe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I don't disagree with you, Karma. But the discussion had to do with cocaine mummies -- i.e., with a question of "fact" (the "intellectual realm"), not with a question of "feeling" (the "numinous realm"). And there are many areas where the "intellectual" and "numinous" realms overlap (or "reason" and "faith", to use the terminology of St. Thomas Aquinas et al). Take some of the discussions on this thread. It is perfectly legitimate, and correct, to use "reason" when trying to establish what the Historical Jesus "actually" said. But the question of whether or not the Gospels reveal universal, or divine, truths -- even if they cannot be ascribed to the Historical Jesus -- belongs to the "numinous" realm; it is a question of "faith" (or "feeling"). Of course, sometimes "reason" is crudely employed to discredit "faith." The best example of this, I think, is Khrushchev's remark, which went something like this: "Our astronauts went to 'heaven', and they didn't find any angels there." (So there aren't any.) But let me point out that "faith" is just as frequently -- and just as crudely -- used to discredit "reason". My pet peeve is people who say things like the following, even with regard to questions of "fact": "I believe it to be true, and therefore it is. At least, it is true for me." Just because you believe something is true, just because you want it to be true, does not make it true. Joan P.S. I love your profile!

To: Rick Julian who wrote (35708)	4/23/1999 10:43:00 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

My older son agrees with you. He believes in vampires and dragons, and his friends tell him that it is impossible that such things exist. He says that they are irrational, just because they have never seen one doesn't mean that they don't exist. I don't believe in vampires and dragons, but I do believe in God, and I can tell you that I know God exists because I can feel God, but I can't make you feel God if you don't. And I wouldn't blame you for thinking that I am crazy if you don't.