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To: Enigma who wrote (32490)4/25/1999 1:35:00 PM
From: Jim McMannis  Respond to of 116769
 
RE:"The Americans could do nothing in Kosevo without
European approval. DD"....

Yeah, they just waited until Clinton was ready "to show them the money".

Now why do you suppose the Europeans haven't cleaned this up on their own?

Jim



To: Enigma who wrote (32490)4/25/1999 1:52:00 PM
From: gmccon  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 116769
 
DD, Don't take this personally (although I know you will), but if the US wasn't involved, there simply would not be a NATO action in the Balkans today. Period. The other 18 countries would simply have stood back and watched it all happen. 90% of all monies spent in every aspect of this action are US Greenbacks. My tax dollars, DD, not yours. Just like the tax dollars that bought and paid for the nuclear weapons build up and star wars technology that brought the cold war to an end. All US Greenbacks, not Loonies.

<< "The Quiet American"? >> So its a Canadian's opinion that more Americans, me specifically, should be like your idea of the ideal American? <LOL>

DD, the most interesting thing I've learned while living in your country is that your resistence to being the pseudo Americans that you are, is hopeless and pathetic, not to mention very unflattering. If you all weren't so insecure about your complete lack of an identity, you wouldn't even bring the subject up. For example, why would I care about a Canadian's opinion of Audie Murphy? This much I know and care about, he was not Canadian.



To: Enigma who wrote (32490)4/25/1999 1:57:00 PM
From: goldsnow  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116769
 
The New York Times
>
>November 1, 1987, Sunday, Late City Final Edition
>Section 1; Part 1, Page 14, Column 1;
>
>"In Yugoslavia, Rising Ethnic Strife Brings Fears of Worse Civil
>Conflict"
>
>By DAVID BINDER, Special to the New York Times
>
>BELGRADE, Yugoslavia
>
>Portions of southern Yugoslavia have reached such a state of
ethnic
>friction that Yugoslavs have begun to talk of the horrifying
>possibility of ''civil war'' in a land that lost one-tenth of its
>population, or 1.7 million people, in World War II.
>
>The current hostilities pit separatist-minded ethnic Albanians
against
>the various Slavic populations of Yugoslavia and occur at all
levels
>of society, from the highest officials to the humblest peasants.
>
>A young Army conscript of ethnic Albanian origin shot up his
barracks,
>killing four sleeping Slavic bunkmates and wounding six others.
>
>The army says it has uncovered hundreds of subversive ethnic
Albanian
>cells in its ranks. Some arsenals have been raided.
>
>Vicious Insults
>
>Ethnic Albanians in the Government have manipulated public funds
and
>regulations to take over land belonging to Serbs. And politicians
have
>exchanged vicious insults.
>
>Slavic Orthodox churches have been attacked, and flags have been
torn
>down. Wells have been poisoned and crops burned. Slavic boys have
been
>knifed, and some young ethnic Albanians have been told by their
elders
>to rape Serbian girls.
>
>Ethnic Albanians comprise the fastest growing nationality in
>Yugoslavia and are expected soon to become its third largest,
after
>the Serbs and Croats.
>
>Radicals' Goals
>
>The goal of the radical nationalists among them, one said in an
>interview, is an ''ethnic Albania that includes western Macedonia,
>southern Montenegro, part of southern Serbia, Kosovo and Albania
>itself.'' That includes large chunks of the republics that make up
the
>southern half of Yugoslavia.
>
>Other ethnic Albanian separatists admit to a vision of a greater
>Albania governed from Pristina in southern Yugoslavia rather than
>Tirana, the capital of neighboring Albania.
>
>There is no evidence that the hard-line Communist Government in
>Tirana is giving them material assistance.
>
>The principal battleground is the region called Kosovo, a high
plateau
>ringed by mountains that is somewhat smaller than New Jersey.
Ethnic
>Albanians there make up 85 percent of the population of 1.7
million.
>The rest are Serbians and Montenegrins.
>
>Worst Strife in Years
>
>As Slavs flee the protracted violence, Kosovo is becoming what
ethnic
>Albanian nationalists have been demanding for years, and
especially
>strongly since the bloody rioting by ethnic Albanians in Pristina
in
>1981 - an ''ethnically pure'' Albanian region, a ''Republic of
Kosovo''
>in all but name.
>
>The violence, a journalist in Kosovo said, is escalating to ''the
>worst in the last seven years.''
>
>Many Yugoslavs blame the troubles on the ethnic Albanians, but the
>matter is more complex in a country with as many nationalities and
>religions as Yugoslavia's and involves economic development, law,
>politics, families and flags. As recently as 20 years ago, the
Slavic
>majority treated ethnic Albanians as inferiors to be employed as
>hewers of wood and carriers of heating coal. The ethnic Albanians,
>who now number 2 million, were officially deemed a minority, not a
>constituent nationality, as they are today.
>
>Were the ethnic tensions restricted to Kosovo, Yugoslavia's
problems
>with its Albanian nationals might be more manageable. But some
>Yugoslavs and some ethnic Albanians believe the struggle has
spread
>far beyond Kosovo. Macedonia, a republic to the south with a
>population of 1.8 million, has a restive ethnic Albanian minority
>of 350,000.
>
>''We've already lost western Macedonia to the Albanians,'' said a
>member of the Yugoslav party presidium, explaining that the ethnic
>minority had driven the Slavic Macedonians out of the region.
>
>Attacks on Slavs
>
>Last summer, the authorities in Kosovo said they documented 40
ethnic
>Albanian attacks on Slavs in two months. In the last two years,
320
>ethnic Albanians have been sentenced for political crimes, nearly
>half of them characterized as severe.
>
>In one incident, Fadil Hoxha, once the leading politician of
ethnic
>Albanian origin in Yugoslavia, joked at an official dinner in
Prizren
>last year that Serbian women should be used to satisfy potential
>ethnic Albanian rapists. After his quip was reported this October,
>Serbian women in Kosovo protested, and Mr. Hoxha was dismissed
from
>the Communist Party.
>
>As a precaution, the central authorities dispatched 380 riot
police
>officers to the Kosovo region for the first time in four years.
>
>Officials in Belgrade view the ethnic Albanian challenge as
imperiling
>the foundations of the multinational experiment called federal
Yugoslavia,
>which consists of six republics and two provinces.
>
>'Lebanonizing' of Yugoslavia
>
>High-ranking officials have spoken of the ''Lebanonizing'' of
their
>country and have compared its troubles to the strife in Northern
>Ireland.
>
>Borislav Jovic, a member of the Serbian party's presidency, spoke
in
>an interview of the prospect of ''two Albanias, one north and one
>south, like divided Germany or Korea,'' and of ''practically the
>breakup of Yugoslavia.'' He added: ''Time is working against us.''
>
>The federal Secretary for National Defense, Fleet Adm. Branko
>Mamula, told the army's party organization in September of efforts
>by ethnic Albanians to subvert the armed forces. ''Between 1981
>and 1987 a total of 216 illegal organizations with 1,435 members
>of Albanian nationality were discovered in the Yugoslav People's
>Army,'' he said. Admiral Mamula said ethnic Albanian subversives
>had been preparing for ''killing officers and soldiers, poisoning
>food and water, sabotage, breaking into weapons arsenals and
>stealing arms and ammunition, desertion and causing flagrant
>nationalist incidents in army units.''
>
>Concerns Over Military
>
>Coming three weeks after the ethnic Albanian draftee, Aziz
Kelmendi,
>had slaughtered his Slavic comrades in the barracks at Paracin,
the
>speech struck fear in thousands of families whose sons were about
to
>start their mandatory year of military service.
>
>Because the Albanians have had a relatively high birth rate,
>one-quarter of the army's 200,000 conscripts this year are ethnic
>Albanians. Admiral Mamula suggested that 3,792 were potential
human
>timebombs.
>
>He said the army had ''not been provided with details relevant for
>assessing their behavior.'' But a number of Belgrade politicians
said
>they doubted the Yugoslav armed forces would be used to intervene
in
>Kosovo as they were to quell violent rioting in 1981 in Pristina.
>They reason that the army leadership is extremely reluctant to
become
>involved in what is, in the first place, a political issue.
>
>Ethnic Albanians already control almost every phase of life in the
>autonomous province of Kosovo, including the police, judiciary,
>civil service, schools and factories. Non-Albanian visitors almost
>immediately feel the independence - and suspicion - of the ethnic
>Albanian authorities.
>
>Region's Slavs Lack Strength
>
>While 200,000 Serbs and Montenegrins still live in the province,
>they are scattered and lack cohesion. In the last seven years,
20,000 of
>them have fled the province, often leaving behind farmsteads and
>houses, for the safety of the Slavic north.
>
>Until September, the majority of the Serbian Communist Party
>leadership pursued a policy of seeking compromise with the Kosovo
>party hierarchy under its ethnic Albanian leader, Azem Vlasi.
>
>But during a 30-hour session of the Serbian central committee in
>late September, the Serbian party secretary, Slobodan Milosevic,
>deposed Dragisa Pavlovic, as head of Belgrade's party
organization, the
>country's largest. Mr. Milosevic accused Mr. Pavlovic of being an
>appeaser who was soft on Albanian radicals. Mr. Milosevic had
>courted the Serbian backlash vote with speeches in Kosovo itself
>calling for ''the policy of the hard hand.''
>
>''We will go up against anti-Socialist forces, even if they call
us
>Stalinists,'' Mr. Milosevic declared recently. That a Yugoslav
>politician would invite someone to call him a Stalinist even four
>decades after Tito's epochal break with Stalin, is a measure of
the
>state into which Serbian politics have fallen. For the moment, Mr.
>Milosevic and his supporters appear to be staking their careers on
a
>strategy of confrontation with the Kosovo ethnic Albanians.
>
>Other Yugoslav politicians have expressed alarm. ''There is no
doubt
>Kosovo is a problem of the whole country, a powder keg on which we
>all sit,'' said Milan Kucan, head of the Slovenian Communist
Party.
>
>Remzi Koljgeci, of the Kosovo party leadership, said in an
interview
>in Pristina that ''relations are cold'' between the ethnic
Albanians
>and Serbs of the province, that there were too many ''people
without
>hope.''
>
>But many of those interviewed agreed it was also a rare
opportunity
>for Yugoslavia to take radical political and economic steps, as
Tito
>did when he broke with the Soviet bloc in 1948.
>
>Efforts are under way to strengthen central authority through
>amendments to the constitution. The League of Communists is
planning
>an extraordinary party congress before March to address the
>country's grave problems.
>
>The hope is that something will be done then to exert the rule of
>law in Kosovo while drawing ethnic Albanians back into
Yugoslavia's
>mainstream.
>
>Copyright 1987 The New York Times Company
>