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To: Paul Engel who wrote (56375)	4/26/1999 1:28:00 AM
From: Scumbria	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570363

Paul, A 466 MHz Celeron has a SpecInt95 of about 17.0. Matbe you should say that the Celeron is just as fast as a 21164..... or a PII, or a PIII, or a Xeon. Scumbria

To: Paul Engel who wrote (56375)	4/26/1999 1:28:00 AM
From: Gary Ng	Respond to of 1570363

Paul, Re: Why would a large number of developers run out and buy a 700 MHz Alpha machine that is not much faster than a 466 MHz Celeron machine Floating point ? Gary

To: Paul Engel who wrote (56375)	4/26/1999 1:58:00 AM
From: Rob Young	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1570363

Why would a large number of developers run out and buy a 700 MHz Alpha ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ machine that is not much faster than a 466 MHz Celeron machine - when ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the installed base of Celeron/x86 compatible machines is measured in the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF UNITS - and GROWING at over a 100 million units per year? ------ ------ That's a good question and something I am not in total agreement with. I do think it will help though as it establishes an entry level position allowing many to port to Alpha. Of course a recompile will be in order to get the most out of 21264. Merced has a trickier problem as I pointed out earlier and am pretty sure you can't address: -- How does Merced get any Linux support at the common user level (where a good deal of Linux thrives) if the cheapest Merced box at intro is $7000+? Merced won't do great on IA32 binaries, etc. Secondly, the EV57 will do well compared to Celeryon or other Intel processors in fp and so there is a nice science/engineering niche. I suspect 21264 will get a whole lot more popular this summer with .28 micron boxes in abundance. What I expect (but have found no mention of) to see is a $3500-$5000 (and maybe $2000 box) box at 700-800 MHz that will be real popular. Popular for several reasons.. no competition from Intel or others. This should be a 35 SpecInt, 60 SpecFp box. Like Intel backfills, expect to see a 21264 back-fill the 1000-$1500 price band by year-end. So I agree with you here that the less than $1000 Alpha Linux box isn't a barn-burner but it fills a critical Alpha need. Alpha becomes like x86, boxes at every price band. But don't expect Intel to get serious performance competition for 3-4 months, but when that time comes Intel won't have a corresponding answer until Merced, late 2000 and at a MUCH higher price point. Rob