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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (56676)	4/28/1999 1:55:00 PM
From: Rob Young	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575426

<Today, you can pick up a decent Alpha with a 533 MHz 21164 (EV67, formerly known as the 21164A) for $1400> Big deal. That price is not for a complete system, plus that price is for the (relatively) weak 21164. And that price is only for a processor, case, motherboard, and floppy drive. I can get a comparable Pentium III 500 MHz processor, case, motherboard, and floppy for $800, and integer-wise it should perform just as fast as the Alpha which you quoted. Entry-level single-processor systems are always going to be priced this low. So, what does it take to get it healthy? $600? $300? Point is from a processor prospective, the cost of EV68 (not 21364, your entire post goes back to 21364.. yes that is a more expensive part) is on par with EV56 (21164 533 MHz). I wasn't quoting that to say "check out this system for performance sake". I was quoting that system to say "check out this system to get a handle on comparable cost for a SIMILARLY PRICED CPU." digital.com Click on that slide it really won't hurt. So now the argument could shift to say the K7/21264 Slot A motherboard won't be cheap enough to bring system costs down to $2000 with an EV68. We know processor cost won't be an issue. Maybe you weren't "talking about just processors" however an earlier snippet you state: <Come on, Rob, Alpha 21364 may be a lot of things, but one thing it isn't going to be is cheap.> Seems that is focused on a processor and if it weren't for your confusion , you would realize 21364 isn't EV68, please reference: digital.com And yes, today's prices for 21264 are expensive. There is another clue, you intro at a high price as there is normally pent up demand for performance (Intel does this too, look how quick Xeon prices with large L2 came down from intro). I suppose you think that EV68 in a Slot A motherboard will go for $11,000? Nope. No more than a 2 or three year old 21164 at 533 MHz system goes for $11,000. How big is EV68 in square millimeters? A straight shrink from .35 micron? Fairly simple to get a reasonable approximation. The CPU price there for EV68 begs for a low-cost motherboard. You don't stick a < $400 :) CPU in a $5000 motherboard. Forget about 21364 for a while.. that is analgous to Merced.. vapor that is so far out we shouldn't be talking about it until next year. At that, we do know more about 21364 than we do Merced. <A 21364 isn't just a shrink of a 21264;> Huhh? Where did I say that? I have been pointing to the slides for quite a while. You're grasping at anything at this point. . .